Ever put two of the same pedal in your loop for gigs?

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  1. TelenTubes

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    I gigged a lot with a band that played mostly original music in college. We weren't good, but we had three fraternities represented, and always packed the house anyways (i.e. sold a lot of beers).

    Since that was all original music, I pretty much plugged straight into the amp and played, with the exception of sometimes using a wah pedal for certain songs.

    Two decades later I'm playing with a drummer and we're considering putting a band together. We won't have a lot of original music at first, and would be covering country/southern rock at least at first...

    So, question... Covering a variety of songs means switching guitars and tones frequently. Just the drummer and I messing around has me spending a minute or so in between songs switching guitars (we will cover some Black Crowes, which means open tunings, ergo a second tele or switching from strat to tele).

    How do you manage that? If I need more fuzz or crunch from one song to the next, or a little different setting for the compressor - has anyone ever used two of the same pedal with different settings to make the switches faster?

    I'm pretty new to chaining effects, and in fact just learning about the benefits of an effects loop and the ordering of pedals as well.

    My drummer buddy can play almost anything, and I had to explain to him why I was switching guitars and monkeying with the amp and pedals when we went from covering Neon Moon to Jealous Again, lol.
     
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    My gig tomorrow I’m using two compressors for the first time.
     
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    One of the reasons I use a multi effect (Boss Gt10). I only use 3-4 different banks live but I am able to turn on/off individual effects with little hassle. I do add an OCD for the situation that you are describing because the Boss overdrives just don't do it for me.
     
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    For faster switching alone, or two create a new sound using both?
     
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    my guitar guru, Kelly Richey, uses two tube screamers, each set differently. if Kelly does it, it's right.

    any idea you dream up, do it.
     
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    Man, Kelly Richey has it going on!

    I thought it would just be faster to hit a pedal button and do a quick guitar swap rather than monkey with 5 or six dials (and still swap a guitar out).
     
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    I haven’t but I’ve seen folks do the 2 Tube Screamers set differently as well as 2 delay pedals set differently. The 2 delay set up had one set for slap back and the other one for longer delays.
    Depending on what your playing in open G, sometimes you can fake it by just sticking to the G, B, and D strings playing triads and inversions. Sound might need to be thickened depending on your set up. When I’m too lazy to re-tune or don’t have a second guitar around I’ve found that I can fake some Keef riffs this way.
     
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    I think a lot of players use two or more delays set at different speeds etc.
     
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    I once chained seven delay pedals into my amp.... then I hit an E chord ... three hours later, it sounded absolutely glorious ...
     
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    Sometimes, depending on the open tuning song, I'll leave the high E string at E. Sometimes that doesn't work for me. I can drop the low E and A strings faster than I can change underwear, but still....

    Didn't have to worry about it much when gigging. We only did a few songs where I needed the amp to be dirty and had a footswitch to change between amp channels. Now I'm needing a range from clean to slightly broken up to almost muddy. And a few other settings in between.

    Haven't played with the effects loop on my amps too much. I've always played with wah between the guitar and the amp. Now I'm learning that the compressor can create gain and a lot of unwanted noise if it's not in the effects loop circuit. So much to learn and play with.
     
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    If I can ever play ANYTHING like that cover of Hey Joe ... with that intensity and power ... then I'll know that all the work was worth it. That's about the biggest "if" that was ever put at the front of a sentence. Holy cow that was something.
     
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    I use two Boss DS-1s stacked like a six knob boutique pedal.

    Telecaster SS, set up with a 4-way switch, SS plus series humbucker.
    Stratocaster SSS, set up with an Armstrong Blender mod, blends into HSH.

    Fuzz (and turn the guitar volume down for juicy clean), Azor 303 is $20 on Amazon right now, Big Muff Pi clone
    DS-1 distortion, used $30
    Black Rat distortion, $25
    Golden Horse moskey/mulady Klon klone overdrive, $25

    Here are three classes on using the guitar knobs and choosing where you pick to cover a lot of range.




    Stacking pedals. This is how I use my dual Boss DS-1s.

    The Joyo is used direct for recording above, some use it direct to a PA system at a gig so no need to cart in an amp and mic system.


    (The Kelly video above is great. Here's one of the local players known for his Hendrix routines. He plays at the casinos and does a few summer gigs in the nearby towns)


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    Kelly is, when she's not on stage beating that Stratocaster into submission, the nicest, kindest person you'll ever meet. she used to live near me and I was lucky enough to take two lessons from her, then she moved away. I learned more from 2 lessons with her than from any other teacher I ever went to. she actually knew how to teach. most "teachers" don't know what they are doing.

    the good news is you can go on truefire and buy her teaching dvd. she teaches how to play her version of "hey joe" and some other songs. I should add, she doesn't teach how to play the long solos on it, but she gives you the tools to figure out how to build your own solo.

    what I really love to hear is her take on roy Buchanan's version of "down by the river". I wish that one was on her dvd, but it ain't.

    for a long time, Kelly used a super reverb, but now she uses 2 deluxes. she always sounds great. there's a part on the dvd where she talks about her equipment and pedals and why she uses what she uses.
     
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    I used two tube screamers for a couple years. Currently I use two "blue ocean" delays, one for slap, one for bigger "echo."
     
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    ...you're a funny guy...no, no, I mean very amusing...with the jokes and all...

    (it's a Goodfellas reference. don't shoot)
     
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    I would think that some type of multi effect unit that you save pre set patches might work for you. Then switch guitars as needed ?
     
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    One is a subtle tube comp that helps my tube amp sound like 4 or 5 when it’s only on 3 or 4. The other comp is used like an overdrive.
     
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    I used a Boss LS-2 to switch between two EQ pedals, so that I could change the flavor of my guitar instantly. It worked great especially if I added an effect pedal to either loop. Also switching pickups at the exact same time as the LS-2, was very dramatic.
     
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    In use two self-made Klon clones on my pedalboard. The first is a preamp (always on, gain set low) to brighten my signal, and second is used as an overdrive. Works for me!
     
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    I have dual !exicon fx in my rack based mesa rig. I can switch the fx blocks off with foot switches and have pairs of setting stored in patches. The dual delay trick is one but I rarely use the same effect in parallel. I switch a patch instead.

    Simpler to do it with multifx or something with patches. Its just not cost effective and too restrictive and complex using more pedals to achieve same.

    i have a boss gt100 as a backup rig or floor unit. Have it setup for multiple manual pedal boards. I use three virtual pedal boards layouts I can switch between songs.

    Something like the new TC plethora multi-fx could be a go to today.
     
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