Esquire wiring Arlo mod vs Eldred mod

[Fender_Player90]

Hi-
Wiring up a Esquire im building. Whats the difference in sound between the Eldred mod and Arlo mod? I know the difference in circuits. Has anybody used a .0022uf cap for the Eldred compared to the .0047uf cap? Also whats the point of the additional cap and resistors with the Arlo mod?


Im trying to go for a sound I cant get normally by just adjusting the tone control.

Really im trying to go for more of a faux neck tone in the neck position of the switch than a cocked wah tone. Or trying to get as close as possible. Is this possible?

Thanks-

 

[boris bubbanov]

Last time I did an Esquire this way, was before the "Eldred Mod" was called the Eldred Mod.

What I would suggest is, use alligator clips and try out various values of caps. Think not about 22 to 47 but about moving the decimal point altogether, either way.

 

[Fender_Player90]

I know about trying different caps with the Eldred but also wondering about the Arlo mod with its addition resistor/cap in line with the signal along with the cap to ground?

 

[old_picker]

I've found the Arlo mod to be the one most useful. I sometimes use a 4-way which gives a bit more flexibility. First (back selector position) is straight pipes which connects the pickup direct to the output jack.

 

[Fender_Player90]

I've found the Arlo mod to be the one most useful. I sometimes use a 4-way which gives a bit more flexibility. First (back selector position) is straight pipes which connects the pickup direct to the output jack

Does the 4 way give you the ability to do that?

I was suggesting on the "bridge" position bypassing the tone and volume (straight to output jack) vs just bypassing the tone which typically is the bridge position on an Esquire. But was told with the 3 way it wasnt possible and to have the 2 other settings (normal middle and neck Eldred mod or bass cap)

 

[SixStringSlinger]

Does the 4 way give you the ability to do that?

I was suggesting on the "bridge" position bypassing the tone and volume (straight to output jack) vs just bypassing the tone which typically is the bridge position on an Esquire. But was told with the 3 way it wasnt possible and to have the 2 other settings (normal middle and neck Eldred mod or bass cap)

My Esquire has a 3-way with straight-to-jack, normal volume + tone and Eldred (w/ volume). The tone pot is a no-load so there's also the option to switch that out of the middle position.

 

[SixStringSlinger]

Here's the diagram courtesy of @moosie

My Esquire's been this way ever since I Esquire'd it from the Tele it once was (and except for a brief spell when it also had a tapped pickup, but the rest of the wiring stayed the same). Works perfectly fine.

 

[wabashslim]

Really im trying to go for more of a faux neck tone in the neck position of the switch than a cocked wah tone. Or trying to get as close as possible. Is this possible?

If it were it would eliminate 40% of the pickup industry, and make all those jazzboxes dumpster fodder.

But you can't add frequencies that aren't there to begin with. If you want the neck pickup tone you'll just have to build a Telecaster. Sorry - I know what a hardship that is for some...

 

[Fender_Player90]

If it were it would eliminate 40% of the pickup industry, and make all those jazzboxes dumpster fodder.

But you can't add frequencies that aren't there to begin with. If you want the neck pickup tone you'll just have to build a Telecaster. Sorry - I know what a hardship that is for some...

I have a Telecaster for that. Just trying to make the switching make sense (brighter full blown bridge tone, then loaded with standard controls, then a more bassy tone but a "neckish" tone. Actually ive been able to get neck like sounds out of my Les Paul Jr and my SG on the Bridge humbucker by backing off the tone to about 3-5ish. On the SG I can flip to the neck to compare. You can get close but some dynamics are lost that the real neck pickup that has. But then again they are P90s and Humbuckers which have more output to begin with. I guess you could simulate 5ish on the tone control and do a .022 cap with 250K resistor to ground. Or whats the difference to that using a much small capacitor with no resistor such as a .0047 cap?

Its gonna be a wannabe neck tone for sure. But probably just shooting for simulating the tone rolled off by half or two thirds.

If I got a 4 way switch,
Is it possible to do the Straight to Jack in the 1st position , standard volume and tone in 2nd, and then combine both the Eldridge mod in 3rd (.0033 or .0047 cap to ground) and the Arlo Mod in 4th (.01 or .0047 cap to ground with .01 cap and 3.3K in line with the signal)?

Then I can use a no load tone pot if I want volume with no tone. I feel silly putting a setting with no tone pot in the switch if you can just accomplish that with a no load tone pot.

 

[wabashslim]

I feel silly putting a setting with no tone pot in the switch if you can just accomplish that with a no load tone pot.

Right. I put 500k no-loads in a cheap LP copy and I'm satisfied, although I'm sure no one else could ever hear the difference, especially in a band context. But they're so much simpler than the figuring and implementing multiple switch positions.

 

[dmarcus30]

Hi-
Wiring up a Esquire im building. Whats the difference in sound between the Eldred mod and Arlo mod? I know the difference in circuits. Has anybody used a .0022uf cap for the Eldred compared to the .0047uf cap? Also whats the point of the additional cap and resistors with the Arlo mod?


Im trying to go for a sound I cant get normally by just adjusting the tone control.

Really im trying to go for more of a faux neck tone in the neck position of the switch than a cocked wah tone. Or trying to get as close as possible. Is this possible?

Thanks-

I used a.0047 cap for the 'neck' position ( no Tone control ) to get a darker sound; a .047 cap for the middle position (Tone control active) and then a .0033 cap for the "bridge" position that just absolutely sings. No Tone control but I don't really need it. It sounds great.

 

[Fender_Player90]

I used a.0047 cap for the 'neck' position ( no Tone control ) to get a darker sound; a .047 cap for the middle position (Tone control active) and then a .0033 cap for the "bridge" position that just absolutely sings. No Tone control but I don't really need it. It sounds great.

Is the .0033 in the bridge position a bass cut (in series with the signal vs to ground like a treble cut)? Is the .0047 cap sound different than just rolling the tone off in the middle position some?

Thanks

 

[old_picker]

Does the 4 way give you the ability to do that?

I was suggesting on the "bridge" position bypassing the tone and volume (straight to output jack) vs just bypassing the tone which typically is the bridge position on an Esquire. But was told with the 3 way it wasnt possible and to have the 2 other settings (normal middle and neck Eldred mod or bass cap)

Yes

 

[jvin248]

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I have an HH LP style guitar I hard wired the Arlo circuit to the bridge pickup after trying all the other mods. I found that turning the tone knob goes from the Arlo tone to a regular bridge pickup tone. So I still can get a stock tone.

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[Tuxedo Poly]

For those feeling adventurous with the soldering iron, Eldred and Arlo at your fingertips.