Epiphone used prices compared to squiers?

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  1. highwaycat

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    What are typical prices for used Gibson Epiphones that are good deals?
    For example I have a ton of experience buying/selling squiers so I know what’s true market value and what’s a score for squier affinitys and squier standards, however, I see gibson epiphones for $100 and they sit unsold for many months. So I’m not sure what a ‘score’ or super good deal is on epiphones. What are they using squiers as a comparison?
    I figured the ones with two piece bridges go for more.
     
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    Typically I found used Epiohones going for 50% street price. The exceptions seemed to be the Dots, Les Pauls with binding, Casino and upscale models which go for a higher price used. Quality on most of them is pretty good. Don't confuse the Korean and Chinese-made models with the high quality set-neck models which are expensive even on the used market.

    The Epiphones that are the cheapest used are the bolt neck Chinese LPs and SGs. They are basic guitars like Squier Affinities. I actually liked the cheesy single pickup beginner's Las Paul Jr's. They remind me of the old Gibson Melody Makers. Properly set up they sound surprisingly good and can be a blast to play. I would replace the cheap hex tuners with something a little better although the quality of the cheap tuners has improved a bit. I have paid as little as $15 for the bolt Breck Jr. On the bolt necks check the body for cracks as they are often not well cared for.
     
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    The set neck ones are higher quality, the SG Studio, Les Paul Studio and up. The lower SG and Les Paul models are bolt-on, but are still good quality, and they're all made in China, except the very highest priced Masterbuilt electrics, and some of those are Japanese.
     
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    Buy an Epiphone- buy better pickups. Well enough made guitars but sound. Hmnnn????
     
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    P.S. Didn't mean to sound harsh.
    A luthier fiend of mine calls them Snapperphones because they have a tendency to snap at the first fret/ headstock. He repairs at least one a week.
    I really would like the Japanese Riviera with mini-humbuckers but their range, as I just looked up, is really limited, not eve the "John Lennon" Casino. And Mark Agnesi said look out for Epiphones when he joined Gibson. Well??
    These guitars were equal or superior to Gibsons. i know, one of our guitarist had a '61 Casino BUT with mini-h/b , and a Bigsby. Best guitar I've seen in 50 years of playing.
     
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    There are a couple of low-grade Epiphone models that sell for $150 or less brand new; basically beginner guitars. I picked one up in a trade a few years ago because a guy was short on cash for the amp I was selling. It was a LP Special II. Terrible pickups and plastic tuners. The rest was solid though and I swapped out the junk parts for decent stuff. Good modding platform.

    Very different from the $300 and up Epis. I know one of the recent higher models even came with Gibson '57 Classics in it. I picked up an Epi ES-339 with P90s a few months ago - it's one of my favorite guitars at the moment and I play the heck out of it. Good to go straight from the factory.
     
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    Yeah... just like real Gibsons! :lol:
     
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    If you are seeing playable Epiphones for $100 as you indicated, I recommend you buy them all and resell them.

    I'm no expert and wouldn't know a good deal if it hit me in the head with a brick, but here are two Epi's (for example) I've purchased recently:

    '11 Riviera P93 with OHSC...$320+s&t in Oct19.

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    '04 SG with OHSC...$255+s&t in Jan20.

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    Both are good guitars and required no work after unboxing.
     
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    It may be just that Tele and Strat types are very popular, and the Squier clones play pretty well. Those Squiers are cheaper than many Epi semi hollow's used. A typical 335 type or Sheraton goes for $300-350. A Squier Tele or Strat never is that much.
    I'm not an LP fan that much, but some of the Epi LP types, even the bolt on neck ones, that sell cheap like $100-150 aren't bad at all. The ceramic HB's have a sound of their own, I kinda actually like them because I dont like most HB's that well. For one guitar I bought a beat up Epi LP to remove the pickups from..... they are superb for slide guitar work.
    One of the most popular local guys plays an old Epi LP occasionally that is butt ugly. That silver and blue/black sunburst thing. But it sounds very good.
    The Epi LP Jr is pretty great with the P90's too.
     
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    I once had an Epiphone Casino (MIC) and it was very difficult to resell it. In the end I traded it for a Mexico Standard Strat
     
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    It would definitely seem that the more well appointed, higher end Epiphone models keep more of their value. That said, I don't know if a high end, similarly well appointed Squier.

    My Epi LP Custom has binding on the body, neck and headstock. Set neck construction. Just some things you really don't find on a Squier. It would make sense for those to retain some value in my opinion.
     
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    There are a lot of different Epiphones. There are some models that are better regarded and will command a premium (like a Tribute with its Gibson pickups vs. LP Standard); there are some signature series (like the various Bonamassas, Slash, etc.) that might have some nicer hardware, pickups, and/or wiring and more interesting designs; and some special runs like the 1960 Anniversary (same as above, more bells and whistles).

    Don't overpay for a run of the mill Epiphone model because they are plentiful and cheap. It's not too unusual to score one of the special runs used at a price one would pay for a "normal" model. I'm betting that if you see a "Gibson Epiphone" for $100, it's something like those very cheap Juniors that someone has slapped a Gibson truss rod cover on in hopes that a buyer will think that signifies quality. That's why it's sitting for months, because most people are hip to that.

    This is not meant to be a knock on Epis. I miss the 1960 Anniversary maybe more than any guitar I've sold. Got it for like $400 with Fralin Unbuckers, OHSC, the whole deal. Looked and played great, sounded wonderful with those pickups. It was a lot of guitar.
     
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    Back in the mid 60's, I owned a USA-made Epiphone Riviera with mini-humbuckers and factory Bigsby. I regret to this day that I ever sold it. I've searched far and wide over the years for another guitar that was built that well, and played and sounded so good. I was a dumb, young kid, that didn't appreciate what I had at the time.
    Fast forward, a year or so ago, I acquired a 2014 Epiphone ES-175 Premium. Oh my gosh, the neck felt the same as my old Riviera and the factory Gibson '57 classics are phenominal in this guitar. It plays like butter and stays in tune, and the build quality is absolutely great. I will never ever part with this one.
     
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    For 100 bucks that could only be Specials and Juniors, possibly also small body and "pack" guitars; they sell for a little more than that new and a lot less used.

    If you ever see an Explorer, Firebird, Les Paul Standard, hollow body , etc. for that much, snap it up right away because it would be worth a lot more.
     
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