Epiphone Casino USA reissue?

Discussion in 'Other Guitars, other instruments' started by mr newhaven, Jan 20, 2020.

  1. mr newhaven

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    Sorry I just read a report quickly that epiphone is making casinos in the USA again! What the heck! This is amazing!
    I feel bad for anyone trying to sell elitists for multiple thousands of dollars now...although elitists are cool!

    anyone have any vids? I just read an article!
     
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    I think it's only the Texan acoustic.
     
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    The Keith Richards model I've always wanted.
    Hopefully its not at a Custom Shop price
     
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    Nice that they are putting out some more things in this line. I always wanted one of the sunburst John Lee Hooker U.S.A. made Shertatons – burst, trapeze, two mini humbuckers. Wasn't that interested in the U.S.A. Lennon Casinos, as I already own a real '68...but I really wanted that Hooker Sheraton, and now they are like hen's teeth. You see the U.S.A. Sheraton IIs (the ones with natural finish and stop tailpiece) much more often, but I am not into those. I want the trapeze.

    My bandmate has one of the Gibson Custom Shop '62 Epi Wilshire reissues, and it is "to die for." I wish he had got white instead of red, but we have different tastes in guitar finishes.

    I'm wondering if these new U.S.A. Epis are made on Gibson's standard production line, or if they are still Gibson Custom Shop instruments only.
     
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    I think maybe production line...I don’t see how they could be made on the custom line...I think only the McCartney Texan was? The one where he signs the sound hole? I saw a used one in guitar center in nyc and it was just shy of $4000 about 10 years ago
    I’m sure now they are more
    Damn I should have when I had the chance
     
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    The 2009 '62 Wilshire reissue I mentioned above was a Gibson Custom Shop guitar. I don't remember if the two types of Lennon Casino were or not. The J.L. Hookers...I don't remember either.
     
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    Not too sure I will be in for a USA one....what can be different than an Elitist one...that are already acknowledged as being pretty great?

    This puts in sharp relief the country of origin argument......seems unlikely they will be made of a wood that significantly enhances the tone. The pickups can be swapped in or out at any stage anyway, so wood and construction is the only possible differentiator other than country of origin browny points. Then at what cost premium.....?

    This is the start of a slippery slope IMO. Watch as they "upgrade" the whole Epiphone line (read increase price) with some made in USA, assembled from parts in USA and any other trick they can use to have "Made in the USA" stamped on it.

    Realising that "Made in the USA" can legally be as little as assembled from chinese parts if they wish...which would just be a huge rort to me.

    There was a big deal in 2010 made of an Epiphone limited 50th Anniversary Edition 1960 V3 LP, with USA pickups and final tuning done in the USA. I had one, was a really nice guitar. In fact so nice that the then new run of Traditional Gibson LP's I compared it to was VERY similar....at the time I wondered if the Epiphone was a dry run of the Traditional being basically made in Asia and then sent to the USA for the final "Made in the USA" legitimacy. Certainly the price diference at the time meant they had to have done somethign different to then usual practice...

    Just a pet theory that might have zero credibility but 30+ years in business and wholesale costing etc experience, thats what it felt like.
     
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    I think it's a good move. There is a lot of room between current Epiphone prices and Gibson prices while they cede the less expensive guitar brands to Asia. However - they need to keep the prices within reason. $4000 for a Texan is ridiculous. $700 for a USA Texan is within reason. I agree with the comment on how much better can the Casinos be - I'll keep my MIJ Elite Casino - hard to see how they can improve on that.
     
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    You’re definitely correct on the Wiltshire and the Lennon casino I don’t know about the hooker to be honest not because I don’t believe you just because I don’t know much about that model
     
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    Now that I am thinking back more deeply, I believe the Hookers might have been constructed in Japan, then shipped to the U.S.A. for finishing and assembly by Gibson (Custom Shop or standard factory – not sure)...but I don't remember for sure.
     
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    Close. The Hookers were constructed and finished in Japan, then shipped to the US. All hardware and electronic assembly and setup was done at the Epiphone Distribution Center by very experienced technicians (not including yours truly).
     
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    It seems from your reply you worked at GIbson. Im interested to know if you know if anything was going on in terms of Gibson using imported parts or bodies for lower end "USA" models like when the Traditional was introduced?
     
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    Best of both worlds, then. The Japanese factory did what they were best at, and the U.S. supplied the superior electronics components over the MIJ Epis.

    My MIJ Epi '62 SG was a better built and better finished guitar than any standard production line Henry J. era Gibson I've ever played (and I own several, which are fine after a little work...but they don't compare to the few MIJ Epis I've owned).
     
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    That's great, but only on the "its nice that some things will still be built here" level.
    Do you really think Japanese workers, the country that builds Lexus, Nikon, and so on, can't put together a GUITAR as well as anybody else on earth? I mean, it's cool that these will be made in the USA, but I don't see how any could expect them to be an improvement in quality over the MIJ Elitist ones. There are all sorts of arguments that it's better to buy things built locally, etc. etc. but I just don't see how you could argue that only American workers can build a top-flight guitar in this day and age.
     
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    The Japanese put together one hell of a guitar! I have an 80s MIJ tele and it’s amazing! I also have an old Yamaha fg acoustic which is a amazing as well! I also have a nocaster and that’s amazing too! I think you expect a certain level of quality in an American product seeing as though they created and innovated it...but the Japanese guitars have gems that definitely stand up to the American counterparts...but owning an American guitar is almost like a goal (maybe) whereas finding a gem Japanese guitar is a journey and an exciting find!
    Does this make sense?
    My Gibson lg-2 sounds and feels amazing...is it better than my 70’s fg? No but do I gravitate towards my Gibson? Yes! I don’t know why but I feel like I’ve achieved something every time I take it out of the case
     
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    $2699 for the lefty Made in USA Casino. Think I’ll pass.
     
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    What's got into the water? Fender's making WRHB pickups again, Epiphone's getting closer to having a Gibson headstock design and now some Epiphone guitars will be made in America again.

    Maybe Gibson will start making real Firebird pickups again and quit acting like DH's, or maybe that will remain the same to keep from upsetting the Time-Space Continuum.
     
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    Wonder what it will do to the value of my Kalamazoo made ‘63 Casino? It has got the original smaller headstock that they are reissuing.

    Not that I really care or plan on selling.
     
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