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Epiphone casino frustration

Discussion in 'Other Guitars, other instruments' started by Desmond Wafers, Apr 10, 2011.

  1. Desmond Wafers

    Desmond Wafers TDPRI Member

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    This guitar has been nothing but problems from the start. First I had massive intonation problems and now the damn guitar won't stop breaking its high E string. I was playing it (not over aggressively) and the high E made a small snapping noise and went way out of tune. I figured it was just a fluke so I go to tune it, but it refuses. Every time I tune it up a little bit, it stays for a second then goes down again. Eventually the string broke. I thought it might just be a crappy string, so I string it up again. Same thing happens. 3rd time? You guessed it, breaks again. It keeps breaking at the tail piece, and the ball end thing of the string goes flyin'.

    So is this god's divine punishment on me for not saving for that AVRI jaguar or has this happened to others? If this can't be easily fixed this thing is going on the bay, I've had enough of its problems. It looks great and actually sounds superb but I don't want to invest anymore money into it.
     
  2. alexpigment

    alexpigment Tele-Afflicted

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    I have no ownership experience with a casino, but I've had a guitar that was nothing but problems - a 72 Tele Deluxe RI that I fought with for two years. The best decision I ever made was selling it and buying a Classic Vibe Thinline in its place. I have no doubts that the right tech could have made it a great player, but I don't know how long it would have taken me to find that guy or how much money I would have spent. Perhaps it's time to cut your losses on this one.

    On the other hand, try a different brand of strings. Breaking near the tailpiece might indicate that the strings are poorly twisted near the ball end.
     
  3. flyingbanana

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    I don't think it's God's fault. Why not try to see if you have any issues down at the end where it keeps snapping. You might have a sharp edge inside where the ball end of the string goes in and sits. Normally though, when a person tunes up, and the string keeps going out of tune, or flat, it would indicate bad winding technique around the posts, or a nut slot issue.

    In your case, I'd look at where and how your string goes through the end piece and maybe run a small piece of fine sandpaper through it or something to clean it up. Then double check those other two possible problem areas.
     
  4. Tele Belly

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    I owned a Casino with Bigsby. Had to sell it for financial reasons. It was a great instrument. Sorry to hear you are having problems. Is it catching in the nut? Do you have pics?
     
  5. Jack Knife

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    +1

    That, or the twist at the end is not compatible with the tailpiece for some reason and is breaking there. Or the tailpiece has a burr or somesuch there. Definitely the string wrap letting go though.
     
  6. Post Toastie

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    Take a D string and string it through the E string tail piece and over the tuneamatic and run/pull it back and forth for a while to clean/smooth out that area.Then put chap stick on the tuneamatic and restring with a small E .
     
  7. Jerry J

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    I own an '07 Elitist which is a joy to own, a real keeper. I have no clues to offer you other than sell it and try again later. It is a great guitar.
     
  8. stantheman

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    Hell - I'd take off The Tailpiece and sand/file/dremel out the danged burr.
    It's a burr that's bustin them strings.
    As for it goin' outta tune, how many wraps are You doing around the Tuning Peg?
    Like The B.B. I have a firm belief of usin' the ENTIRE E,B, and G Strings - that way - once they've settled they stay in tune for weeks on end.
     
  9. Jack Knife

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    Hey Desmond, did you happen to buy your strings all at the same time? You could have come on a batch of bad strings. What you describe is a classic symptom of the wrap letting go around the ball end. That's why I suggested something interfering with the wrap as it sits in the tailpiece. It could also be just some bad strings. Did you try different brands, or purchasing from another source?
     
  10. alexpigment

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    I think he's saying it's going out of tune because the string is unwinding at the ball end. I've had that happen maybe once a long time ago. The string doesn't immediately break, but just kinda drops a few steps. Tuning it up is futile and it will most certainly come apart soon.

    Sounds like this might actually address the problem.
     
  11. Desmond Wafers

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    Thanks to everyone so far for the help!

    First off, I used two different types of strings, so I'm fairly certain that it's not the strings.

    This is what happens. It'll drop down a step or two and I'll know that the end is near. I took off the tailpiece and the only strange thing that I notice is that the hole for the E is smaller than all the others. I'll do a bit of sanding and try what post toastie said. I don't think it's catching on the nut, but I'll pay extra attention when restringing it.
     
  12. Bolide

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    That sounds more like a string problem than an instrument problem,
    at least, the strings are not compatable with the tailpiece.
    If it were a problem with the tailpiece or bridge, the string would not drift out of tune before breaking, it would just go all at once; this drop in tension is a sign that the twist is undoing itself before failing.

    There was a rash of counterfeit d'Addarios a few months back, and they gave this symptom when they failed.
     
  13. paulvcarter

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    Epiphone have crappy hardware, i sold mine due to it not staying in tune, a deal breaker for recording....not worth the upgrade cost either in my mind
     
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    Sounds exactly like a nut problem - probably badly cut. Very easy fix.
     
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    A nut problem causing the ball end to break? :?:
     
  16. chrisj1602

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    It's a simple solution to a simple problem, there's nothing wrong with the guitar. Sounds like a sharp edge. It can happen on a new bridge, or pop up on an old bridge over time. Try filing, like somebody said, just use a D string. It should be fine. And If it's pinging at the nut when tuning, run a pencil in the groove.
     
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    you got some good advise here. not much to add except that nothing says you only have to have ONE problem. serious set-up issues can often be the result of multiple, very simple problems, each one easy ,but together complicated. start at A and patiently work to B then to C, etc. you will probably get it right!
     
  18. romo

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    I had this problem on my AVRI Jazzmaster. The tailpiece looked good, but the string kept coming unwrapped at the ball end. According to the info I got from the Offset guitar forum, it is a pretty common problem with some brands of strings. D'Addario's are apparently well known for doing this. So I switched to DR's, and additionally I put a little solder on the end of the string where it is wound up. I have not had another high E come unwrapped.
     
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  19. Ironwolf

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    My new Casino seems to be just about perfect. Intonation spot on, nut seems well cut and the tuning is holding well after the strings have settled. The only thing I've had to do was lower the action slightly. It sounds to me like there is a problem in your tailpiece at the small E. I would see if I could get some abrasive cord or a small rattail file to clean up and smooth that area of the tailpiece.
     
  20. Desmond Wafers

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    ...The first two sets were D'Addario....third was ernie ball though, and the exact same thing happened. I'm going to try the D string thing now and report back afterwards.

    I appreciate all of the help.
     
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