Epi Casino pickups?

68goldtop

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Solder, traditionally, is an alloy of lead and tin. These metals are not magnetic, so metal filings of solder will be attracted to the pickup magnets.
Did you, perhaps, forget a "not"?
If materials are not magnetic, they won´t be attracted by the pickup-magnets, or will they?

As for the pickups...
I find it hard to tell...
I had about 10 Casinos/Sorrentos (MiK, MiC, MiJ) recently (4-5 years), and the pickups were all over the place.
Some sounded great, some dull, some so-so.
I had a MiK that sounded totally lame, and another MiK where the neck-pu sounded like the best I´ve ever heard. Unfortunately, the bridge-pu didn't´t match up ;)

What I can say - the set in my "Elitist" (probably US-made) needs no replacing!

And yes, it´s hard to get:

- a set that will fit the chrome-covers (as the neck-pu uses a narrower spacing)
and
- the pickups out of the chrome-covers ;)

In a MiC-Casino, I think it´s worth it to replace the wiring (pots, jack, switch) more than the pickups - because they seemed rather consistent over the few I´ve tried...


cheers - 68.


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There was someone on Reverb at one point that rewound Casino pickups specifically for a decent price. Might be worth searching them out.
 

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...my experience with changing a basic guitar sound by swapping pickups has been mostly a useless exercise...

Once I learned how much impact on tone you can have by adjusting pickup heights, screw poles heights, and measuring and swapping pots and caps, I've not needed to swap pickups unless changing pickup styles.

Screw poles are little EQ controllers and bass/treble tip of the pickups help a lot, in addition to wholesale raise/lower the pickups.

P90 covers are plastic and won't change 'tone for you. Even metal cover effects can be adjusted out. Use your ears and adjust pickups you have over several days, ear fatigue sets in during a session and you can get lost in the weeds until the next day.

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What year is your Casino? I had a 90s MIK Casino that came to me with vintage output P90s (the covers also looked like they were silver painted plastic) and a MIC Inspired by John Lennon that came with Gibson spec pickups. I've also tried the newer MIC Casinos that come with really hot P90s. I actually preferred the sound of the MIK. But I don't have either of them anymore. Some of it is just how Casinos sound. I think they sound better with lower output pickups and plastic covers, but there is still this kind of honky quality to them that just didn't work for me, as much as I love how they sound on Beatles and others recordings. I ended up much preferring the P90 sound I get from my Les Paul Jr.
 

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I’ve been a P90 fan for a long time (my first real guitar was/is a Gibson Les Paul Special doublecut). I’ve now gravitated towards P90s with AlNiCo II magnets instead of the more common A5 mags.

I recently reused a humbucker sized P90 in the neck position of a Tele I built and it was too dark. Instead of replacing it, I opened it up and replaced the AlNiCo V magnets on the pickup itself with AlNiCo II magnets.

It was pretty easy to do and it brightened up the pickup and made it sound better. It was a slight difference, but one that kept me from throwing out the pickup. You might have ceramic magnets in your pickups, so the difference might be even more noticeable if you swap mags.


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Not really on subject, but I like your aesthetic choices on the guitar body; Fender seemingly goes out of their way to make these things homely.
 

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I would be curious to know if current stock Epiphone P-90's ( say from 2015> present/ on Casinos or any Epis w/P-90's)
have upped their game on electronics, they way they did with their humbuckers and pots on Les Paul's, 335's, and SG's

Jusr bringing this up as I owned '90's-early 2000's Epis...
( Dot, Sheraton, LP Double Cut Special, and Casino- ALL GONE now)

... playing into vintage BF and SF Fenders ( so, clean and bright)
And they all had the same thing in common
- too hot output, IMO, at least for someone who wants clean, as well a Rock tone-
- and the pickups would lose any clarity/definition/treble UNLESS you had guitar Volume knobs cranked- as soon as you backed OFF from full ON (even with Tone controls cranked)- all just muffled and dead. I just could not play like that, drove me nuts!

* this is why ( along w/needing $$, yes) all the Epis didn't last...

I just bring this up as my 2018 Epi SG (humbuckers)
is nothing like my old ones- Clear pickups & 4 Controls that really work, love it!

So maybe the stock new Epi Casino sounds better too? Don't necessarily need a pickup swap?
( I do miss the comfort/neck and beauty of my Cherry one)
 

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What year is your Casino? I had a 90s MIK Casino that came to me with vintage output P90s (the covers also looked like they were silver painted plastic) and a MIC Inspired by John Lennon that came with Gibson spec pickups. I've also tried the newer MIC Casinos that come with really hot P90s. I actually preferred the sound of the MIK. But I don't have either of them anymore. Some of it is just how Casinos sound. I think they sound better with lower output pickups and plastic covers, but there is still this kind of honky quality to them that just didn't work for me, as much as I love how they sound on Beatles and others recordings. I ended up much preferring the P90 sound I get from my Les Paul Jr.
2013, Quingdao factory China according to the label serial no. The pots are full size. Not sure the brand yet though as I haven't removed anything.
Hollow guitars are different for sure and these P90's are in the 13k resistance range. I'm likely to try something, either removing the cover/or plastic temporarily or a mini-B I have laying around just to see.
I just expected it to sound a bit more like my ES225 did. A cut to the P90's and more clarity. These are defined notes, but just kinda non inspiring.
I was surprise how chunky the neck is, which is fine with me.
I've got a couple high frets up high, not much.... but enough so the G string doesn't quite ring real true. I'll be leveling those soon and will likely swap the neck pup out and see what happens.
The guitar is perfect shape with case and I got it for a song.
 
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Once I learned how much impact on tone you can have by adjusting pickup heights, screw poles heights, and measuring and swapping pots and caps, I've not needed to swap pickups unless changing pickup styles.

Screw poles are little EQ controllers and bass/treble tip of the pickups help a lot, in addition to wholesale raise/lower the pickups.

P90 covers are plastic and won't change 'tone for you. Even metal cover effects can be adjusted out. Use your ears and adjust pickups you have over several days, ear fatigue sets in during a session and you can get lost in the weeds until the next day.

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Yeah, On my past guitars with P90's I decided that they sound best far away from the strings. More so than any other pickup. Many of these guitars were solid body though. Although the ES225 was not. I have this Casino adjusted with the pole pieces to within maybe 1/8" of the strings (fretted).
I need to check out these pots, I assume they put in 500k volume pots, but dont know that for sure. If not, the 500k volume could help a lot. The guitar does sound better when dimed.
 

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But back to my reluctance to start swapping things. I have learned time and time again, that certain guitars DO have characteristics that come from the wood & metal = "combination of variables".
Here's a great example:
When I got my hollow George Benson, I messed with pickups a bit. I even went extreme and put a Single Coil in the neck position. To me, every guitar I own would have a Strat SC, that sound is just my sound. But guitars effect the sound. Here's a pic of the GB with the Strat style SC in it. It's a Lace Sensor so not a 100% true test but I have used Fender Strat SC's and Lace SC's enough to know how they compare...
The Geo Benson sounded very much the same with the SC as it did with the HB. Yes there were minor differences, but the basic "warmish jazz tone with sparkle high end" was still the basic theme. ie: no, it didn't sound like a Strat. I have done weird things like this over the last 20 years at least a dozen times. All the same result: A guitar is only marginally defined by it's pickups.
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Fralin recommends getting the body of p90s up as close as possible to the strings, and in fact recommends 1/8" below strings. So polepiece adjustments are minor. But those are for his pickups, not everyone's, and his don't read 13k like so many years worth of stock Epi Casino ones do.
 

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Hi!

Did you, perhaps, forget a "not"?
If materials are not magnetic, they won´t be attracted by the pickup-magnets, or will they?

As for the pickups...
I find it hard to tell...
I had about 10 Casinos/Sorrentos (MiK, MiC, MiJ) recently (4-5 years), and the pickups were all over the place.
Some sounded great, some dull, some so-so.
I had a MiK that sounded totally lame, and another MiK where the neck-pu sounded like the best I´ve ever heard. Unfortunately, the bridge-pu didn't´t match up ;)

What I can say - the set in my "Elitist" (probably US-made) needs no replacing!

And yes, it´s hard to get:

- a set that will fit the chrome-covers (as the neck-pu uses a narrower spacing)
and
- the pickups out of the chrome-covers ;)

In a MiC-Casino, I think it´s worth it to replace the wiring (pots, jack, switch) more than the pickups - because they seemed rather consistent over the few I´ve tried...


cheers - 68.


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They will NOT! (Thanks for the editing heads-up!)
 

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But back to my reluctance to start swapping things. I have learned time and time again, that certain guitars DO have characteristics that come from the wood & metal = "combination of variables".
Here's a great example:
When I got my hollow George Benson, I messed with pickups a bit. I even went extreme and put a Single Coil in the neck position. To me, every guitar I own would have a Strat SC, that sound is just my sound. But guitars effect the sound. Here's a pic of the GB with the Strat style SC in it. It's a Lace Sensor so not a 100% true test but I have used Fender Strat SC's and Lace SC's enough to know how they compare...
The Geo Benson sounded very much the same with the SC as it did with the HB. Yes there were minor differences, but the basic "warmish jazz tone with sparkle high end" was still the basic theme. ie: no, it didn't sound like a Strat. I have done weird things like this over the last 20 years at least a dozen times. All the same result: A guitar is only marginally defined by it's pickups.
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Even some solid bodies are like this. I had a Tele that, no matter what I put in the neck position, what pots I used, etc, it just always sounded a little dead. Switched bodies on that and those same pickups all sounded bright and lively. Weird.
 

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Even some solid bodies are like this. I had a Tele that, no matter what I put in the neck position, what pots I used, etc, it just always sounded a little dead. Switched bodies on that and those same pickups all sounded bright and lively. Weird.
Yeah. I tried to make an all maple Gibson L6S into a useable guitar. Loved the way that guitar felt. BUT Bright Bright Bright. I tried many pickups and later other L6S's too. NOPE. You could turn the tone down to warm it up but then it was like the feel of a toilet paper roll!
 
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But back to my reluctance to start swapping things. I have learned time and time again, that certain guitars DO have characteristics that come from the wood & metal = "combination of variables".
Here's a great example:
When I got my hollow George Benson, I messed with pickups a bit. I even went extreme and put a Single Coil in the neck position. To me, every guitar I own would have a Strat SC, that sound is just my sound. But guitars effect the sound. Here's a pic of the GB with the Strat style SC in it. It's a Lace Sensor so not a 100% true test but I have used Fender Strat SC's and Lace SC's enough to know how they compare...
The Geo Benson sounded very much the same with the SC as it did with the HB. Yes there were minor differences, but the basic "warmish jazz tone with sparkle high end" was still the basic theme. ie: no, it didn't sound like a Strat. I have done weird things like this over the last 20 years at least a dozen times. All the same result: A guitar is only marginally defined by it's pickups.
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I’ve had that experience. For me, the hollow and semihollow especially impart something to the sound.

This Gibson ES-135 was dark. I even tried a P-90 in the bridge (the one that ended up in that Tele above’s neck position). The balsa center block made it dark.

I finally put in a custom Duncan clone of a DeArmond (in a humbucker shell) that gave me some top end sheen.


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13k (generally mid heavy and less bright) with a chrome cover (instead of nickel silver) in a hollowbody all combine for dark pickups.

I’d bet that removing those covers and swapping the magnets will help, but I think you’d also need to unwind those pickups into a much lower range to pull the mids down and the treble up.
 

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I have removed the metal covers off of a number of pickups. I've used the dremel method and the razor blade method. Solder is soft, so it isn't hard to cut through and doesn't produce metal shavings. I've settled on using both (dremel through most of the blob and use the razor blade to finish cutting through it).
 

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My Memphis 330 has the lower winding mhs vintage p-90s and they sound stellar so Gibson does know how to make them if they want to
 




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