BobbyB
Tele-Afflicted
The new Red Fang 12" alnico from eminence anyone try it yet?
Eminence Red Fang..anyone here it?
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Tim Swartz
Friend of Leo's
A bit bright for my tastes. I do like the Governor.
BobbyB
Tele-Afflicted
re:Tim
What amp did you try it through? I want to try one in my tweed deluxe repro. Im thinking it may be too bright in a blackface type amp but maybe not so with tweed?
What amp did you try it through? I want to try one in my tweed deluxe repro. Im thinking it may be too bright in a blackface type amp but maybe not so with tweed?
Tim Swartz
Friend of Leo's
BF Princeton Reverb. It may work nicely in a tweed Deluxe. I have a '51 and these are incredibly dark sounding. I put the brightest speaker I own in it, a '70s 30w Celestion w/ 75hz cone...and it is wonderful! The Red Fang actually gave the PR a voxy vibe.
Here's cut/paste from a previous post of mine re: Red Fangs... Only tried them a short while but I dig them....
Cool,
Greg V.
Eminence Red Fang and Alnico speaker musings
Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 9:10 pm
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Hi,
I had just a few minutes to try out the new Eminence Red Fang Alnico 12" speaker, 30 watts power rating I think? I heard it thru a 1x12 cab hooked up to a BF Deluxe Reverb. I was pretty impressed for a new=tight speaker. Nice rich lows, not boomy, full throated mids and a airy top end.
When pushed it felt VERY good. I have two Celestion Alnico Blues in my '66 Pro Reverb that I love very dearly, my favorite speakers.
More testing to be done with the Fang but it's looking good!
Alnico speakers feel like this to me: Imagine a rubber beach ball and your pickin' hand is sqeezing the ball. The harder you squeeze the ball (or hit the strings in this case) it compresses and pushes back at you. It's like the speaker is dancing with your hands thru the poweramp. Very dynamic, organic and breathing with your soul...
I love speakers that are like a "Spider Web" in sensitivity, the slightest variation in hand attack translates to an explosion of overtones.
My two favs are the 15 watt Alnico Blues as mentioned as well as the Celestion G12H30 which is a 30 watt ceramic. I had the luxury to set up a speaker shoot out with a bunch of same brand 1x12 open back cabs, each loaded with Blues, G12H30, V30, Greenback and Classic 80. This allowed very quick changes in speakers, in seconds. I used my '66 Pro Reverb to hit the speakers hard with my Fender Nocaster Tele.
My two main speaker tests for my ears are:
#1 Lively test.
Find a few notes that "drop" into feedback without hitting the strings at all. The Blues and G12H30 were the only two to grab the overtones quickly and smear into feedback and coax the different harmonics within the same note by changing proximity to the speaker cabs. To me, it meant that these two speakers are living in the "Spider Web" and full of nuance and detail.
#2 Fullness Test for high end.
I play only a few notes, 3-4 at most on the bridge pickup, using only the high E or B strings above the 12th fret, no vibrato. It helps to hear the girth in the high end and complexity to the note. For me if the speaker is fat in the highs (not murky) the lows and mids are full of high cholesterol and rich in harmonics. I then play lower full chords to hear string to string seperation and see if the notes melt together like chocalate in the sun. Again the Blues/G12H30 ruled.
The G12H30 is not a hard speaker at all to me, possibly since its a lower wattage ceramic? The G12 when pushed kinda rolls over on itself and folds the bass closer to an alnico, to me. Many Higher wattage Ceramics, such as V30's are much harder to me, like squeezing a bowling ball to use the analogy from above.
Cool,
Greg V.
Eminence Red Fang and Alnico speaker musings
Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 9:10 pm
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Hi,
I had just a few minutes to try out the new Eminence Red Fang Alnico 12" speaker, 30 watts power rating I think? I heard it thru a 1x12 cab hooked up to a BF Deluxe Reverb. I was pretty impressed for a new=tight speaker. Nice rich lows, not boomy, full throated mids and a airy top end.
When pushed it felt VERY good. I have two Celestion Alnico Blues in my '66 Pro Reverb that I love very dearly, my favorite speakers.
More testing to be done with the Fang but it's looking good!
Alnico speakers feel like this to me: Imagine a rubber beach ball and your pickin' hand is sqeezing the ball. The harder you squeeze the ball (or hit the strings in this case) it compresses and pushes back at you. It's like the speaker is dancing with your hands thru the poweramp. Very dynamic, organic and breathing with your soul...
I love speakers that are like a "Spider Web" in sensitivity, the slightest variation in hand attack translates to an explosion of overtones.
My two favs are the 15 watt Alnico Blues as mentioned as well as the Celestion G12H30 which is a 30 watt ceramic. I had the luxury to set up a speaker shoot out with a bunch of same brand 1x12 open back cabs, each loaded with Blues, G12H30, V30, Greenback and Classic 80. This allowed very quick changes in speakers, in seconds. I used my '66 Pro Reverb to hit the speakers hard with my Fender Nocaster Tele.
My two main speaker tests for my ears are:
#1 Lively test.
Find a few notes that "drop" into feedback without hitting the strings at all. The Blues and G12H30 were the only two to grab the overtones quickly and smear into feedback and coax the different harmonics within the same note by changing proximity to the speaker cabs. To me, it meant that these two speakers are living in the "Spider Web" and full of nuance and detail.
#2 Fullness Test for high end.
I play only a few notes, 3-4 at most on the bridge pickup, using only the high E or B strings above the 12th fret, no vibrato. It helps to hear the girth in the high end and complexity to the note. For me if the speaker is fat in the highs (not murky) the lows and mids are full of high cholesterol and rich in harmonics. I then play lower full chords to hear string to string seperation and see if the notes melt together like chocalate in the sun. Again the Blues/G12H30 ruled.
The G12H30 is not a hard speaker at all to me, possibly since its a lower wattage ceramic? The G12 when pushed kinda rolls over on itself and folds the bass closer to an alnico, to me. Many Higher wattage Ceramics, such as V30's are much harder to me, like squeezing a bowling ball to use the analogy from above.
Buy one Bobby, you'll like it. I have a half dozen or more of these out in 5E3s and feedback is very good. I actually like them better than current production Celestion alnico blues, and other clones thereof that I've tried. Other applications I've heard them in were a 2x12" tweed 5E8-A and a JTM 45 clone with a sealed 2x12" cab, superb.
BobbyB
Tele-Afflicted
Bought one...review
Well I purchased the Red Fang and installed it in my 5e3 tweed deluxe. This is one efficient speaker! My deluxe was never this loud.(almost...with a Celestion Blue)
The Fang has lots of Bass and highs. It doesnt have the midrange complexity of the Celestion Blue. The highs sparkle. Pick attack is great. Humbuckers sound sweet through this speaker,but my Tele was a tad bright.
They named this speaker right..... it has FANGS.Cuts through like a knife and its loud!
Overall a nice alnico speaker half the price of a Blue.
Well I purchased the Red Fang and installed it in my 5e3 tweed deluxe. This is one efficient speaker! My deluxe was never this loud.(almost...with a Celestion Blue)
The Fang has lots of Bass and highs. It doesnt have the midrange complexity of the Celestion Blue. The highs sparkle. Pick attack is great. Humbuckers sound sweet through this speaker,but my Tele was a tad bright.
They named this speaker right..... it has FANGS.Cuts through like a knife and its loud!
Overall a nice alnico speaker half the price of a Blue.
mark norwine
Tele-Afflicted
i like it a lot....my experience is somewhat limited at this point, but this new patriot & readcoat series from emenence seems to be a very fine offering, indeed. i'm sold!
i'm eager to try the governor, too.
also, ya sure can't beat the price on these new emenence speakers & the fact that they're in stock for immediate shipment is a real nice change!
i'm eager to try the governor, too.
also, ya sure can't beat the price on these new emenence speakers & the fact that they're in stock for immediate shipment is a real nice change!
Pierce
Tele-Holic
copperheads rule..
I like the cannabis rex..
here's the specs on the copperhead...
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do a search for dealers..there is one one every block!
tom
mark norwine said:
I like the cannabis rex..
here's the specs on the copperhead...
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tom
BrianF
Friend of Leo's
Cannabis Rex here too...
Just a great speaker...picked it up off ebay for $52 brand new....
I had a Weber 12A125 in my Tweed Deluxe clone which I wasn't happy with...I had it in just because it was supposed to be the retro speaker for that amp. I swapped the Weber for the Eminence Cannabis Rex and what a difference it made....GREAT tone...I sold the Weber and haven't missed it one bit.
Just a great speaker...picked it up off ebay for $52 brand new....
I had a Weber 12A125 in my Tweed Deluxe clone which I wasn't happy with...I had it in just because it was supposed to be the retro speaker for that amp. I swapped the Weber for the Eminence Cannabis Rex and what a difference it made....GREAT tone...I sold the Weber and haven't missed it one bit.
Hey BobbyB: RedFang loud enough to hang with a band?
mark norwine
Tele-Afflicted
depends on the amp....
depends on the band....
but at 103dB@1W@1M, that's a stout lil' speaker! it's gonna move "more air per watt" than almost anything else available on the market today.
depends on the band....
but at 103dB@1W@1M, that's a stout lil' speaker! it's gonna move "more air per watt" than almost anything else available on the market today.
I know. I was just wondering what the context was..."Cuts through like a knife and its loud!" I have a P12Q reissue in my 5E3 and it has a hard time keeping up with a loud drummer, tho I have gigged it (miked thru PA) and it was fine in the room and just loud enough for me to hear myself next to said drummer. The P12Q is rated at 96dB, Red Fang is 103dB: would that 7dB difference be perceptively louder?
KC
Poster Extraordinaire
dB scale is logarithmic which means that 7dB is a lot -- if you can almost hang at 96, you should be cruising at 103.
not that specs like this are usually all that accurate -- still have to try it to find out -- but if they're anywhere close to real, you should hear a clear and perceptible difference.
not that specs like this are usually all that accurate -- still have to try it to find out -- but if they're anywhere close to real, you should hear a clear and perceptible difference.
BobbyB
Tele-Afflicted
re: Red Fang hang with a band..?
I know your talking about the difference between the jensen and Red Fang. I originally had a jensen in my Tweed Deluxe and replaced it with a Celestion Blue. The Blue could hang with a band. The Red Fang is louder than the Blue and cuts through better. My opinion is yes, it can hang with a decent drummer.
I know your talking about the difference between the jensen and Red Fang. I originally had a jensen in my Tweed Deluxe and replaced it with a Celestion Blue. The Blue could hang with a band. The Red Fang is louder than the Blue and cuts through better. My opinion is yes, it can hang with a decent drummer.
Sweet!
djinn1973
Tele-Meister
btt
JohnnyCrash
Doctor of Teleocity
Bright?
Put one in an amp rated for 25+ watts and turn the volume up to 10...
Put one in an amp rated for 25+ watts and turn the volume up to 10...
I recently put one in my AC15. Previously had the Wharfdale ceramic in it. Huge difference. Great sounding speaker. Good bass. Nice chimey highs. Breaks up smoothly. Not as harsh as the ceramic.
I can't say anything about how it would sound in a 5e3 amp, but in a 15-watt, EL84-powered amp, it sounds great.
I can't say anything about how it would sound in a 5e3 amp, but in a 15-watt, EL84-powered amp, it sounds great.
krashjones
TDPRI Member
I have one in my 18W and I love it dearly. If it would fit in my Princeton Reverb without interfering with the OT then I would put it in there too. It's the standard alnico speaker I put in all of the amps I build. FWIW a Private Jack sounds almost identical when not cranked (like in my low-watt amps), and in a 2x12 a mix of a RF and a PJ, or a Wizard in and a Red Fang, is the real deal man!
love those red Eminence speakers...
love those red Eminence speakers...
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