In this thread, DM is portrayed as kind of the smartest guy in the room... and then as someone so innocent that he had no idea that calling black people lazy n-word was objectionable. I'd note that in his quote about it he said that his intention was to say the most inflammatory worst thing in order to offend. These are incongruities. Another poster said that all punk bands were putting us (the paying public) on and then later, the same poster said that DM was never putting us on. One poster says that DM knew he was 'just an entertainer' and that any listener who expected more (I'm assuming more to be authenticity or something) was foolish.... the songs were clever for clever listeners, the implication being that if someone were to not like a DM song they would, by implication, be 'not so clever'. Is he the smartest, most innocent guy who knows everything except how to apologize for bad behavior and racist comments, which he admits to making. That doesn't make him a racist, BUT, the delay in response given many years and many more opportunities... Jon Hundt was there on that tour and knows his truth... but, DM not only admits his motivation, action and words he let them stand for a long time... How is that to be construed as out of context. maybe we chalk it up to 'punk ethos' or something... what I am pointing to is that we are arbitrarily letting it go or explaining it all away when it suits us. When Michael Jackson music comes on the radio, I notice it and I struggle with it. When Ike Turner was outed as an abuser, it changed how I listened to him. It isn't necessarily fair, but, I wouldn't try to explain away the behavior. Years ago, BB King was in an elevator with my then wife and he said some profoundly inappropriate things to her and was completely NOT a gentleman and was lewd and not a good person. He was probably drunk... so, let it go? Fire up Live at the Regal and remove it from our thoughts? Compartmentalization is a great thing, I wish I could do a better job at it.