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"don't stop believing" by Journey: can we discuss this?

Discussion in 'Music to Your Ears' started by thunderbyrd, Nov 5, 2020.

  1. Digital Larry

    Digital Larry Friend of Leo's

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    I thought Journey's first album was great, but it was mostly prog rock. I watched some "history of Journey" video on YouTube which described how that was great and all but it wasn't getting them sales and so they went out of their way to do what it took to become commercially successful. You'd have a hard time arguing against the results. I did not follow them after that and wouldn't see them for free if it involved having to go anywhere.

    As far as the lyrics being open to interpretation, consider that many pop songs are only memorable for a single line of lyrics, the rest being "fill in the blank with whatever you like" story wise. To me this is actually pretty clever. I think of Justin Hayward (Moody Blues) who wrote, among others, "Tuesday Afternoon" and "Nights in White Satin"... he had this approach down to a craft. Tell just half of the story. Paint some images and leave them hanging there so the listener paints themselves into it and feels part of what's going on (e.g. because I looked out of a window sadly on a rainy day once). As soon as you start talking about Joe and Mary, it's about "someone else".

    I don't write songs that way and I don't seek to try to relate to people's emotional side in my songs anyway, but I can see it as an effective strategy.
     
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    In one of the episodes, Tony says "It's all a big nothing". But at the end of the show he's definitely fallen in a big way. He's isolated, he's killed Christopher who he put so much hope in, and his crew is in shambles. At the restaurant in the finale, AJ reminds Tony of something he said in season 1 at Artie Bucco's restaurant... that they have to remember nice family moments like this. Tony has no recollection of this when AJ brings it up in the finale. I think Tony has gotten his just desserts but he's a black hole so everyone around him suffers too.
     
  3. Fearnot

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    "Can we discuss this?"

    Why? It's a big, stupid pop song with a wank-off guitar intro. Zzzzz.
     
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  4. El Tele Lobo

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    It's totally subjective. Clearly millions of record-buying fans love it. It just always bugged me somehow. And believe me, I like my share of cheesy 80s rock (and other stuff). Not insulting them or anyone who likes them. JMHO.

    And obviously, I'm not writing anything better right now, so there's that... :rolleyes:
     
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    But at least you’d have CKLW. :)
     
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  6. Peegoo

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    It's no different from

    Don't
    Stop
    Thinkin'AboutTomorrow
    Don't
    Stop
    It'llSoonBeHere

    Innocuous and harmless melody, yet hypnotic and uplifting all at the same time.
     
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    I always thought Journey's job was to back up, support and feature Steve Perry's vocal talents. Lyrics are secondary to his delivery. The replacement is very good but lacks something that Perry had. If they had an average singer to start with they wouldn't have had the hits.
     
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    A lot like Journey for that matter,,,
     
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    Get a good antenna and see if you can pull in 89.7 WTMD (Towson MD). It's what WHFS used to be. It doesn't have Damian, but it has The Weasel on Fridays and Saturdays.
     
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    Journey existed long before Steve Perry joined them
     
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    Yup. They were basically Santana without Santana's choice of using already recognized singers and songs. When it was clear that big prog fusion bands rarely ever move beyond musician audiences, they got an actual singer and recorded songs for the radio.

    Granted, I'm genx to the core. Which would at least explain age-wise why I never knew they existed pre-Perry until I was way past the very brief teenage prog rock appreciation phase that I actually did go through, more or less. I liked Yes and Rush in the 80s. That was about it. Anyway, my point being is that despite the old boomer guitarist rumblings of early Journey preferences, the vast majority of the Earth's population would have absolutely no knowledge of Neal Schon had he never met Steve Perry. Santana, notwithstanding.

    Don't Stop Believin'? Cheesy as hell. But still a great song. And just like all of Journey's hits, it's Steve Perry's pipes that make it. Period. End of story.
     
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    I'm lazy and not motivated to look up who it is, but the bass playing on those old Journey songs is really good; growly and driving the songs.
     
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    I never gave the song much thought, so I just listened to it and remembered why. Also, I totally had it confused with another song I never really paid attention to:

    :lol:


    I've never seen The Sopranos, but getbent, this is just beautiful:

    :)



    Then this—every bit as beautiful and true:

    :lol:
     
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    My thoughts exactly about the Sopranos. Possibly the best drama I've seen.

    I thought the song fit.
     
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    Ross Valory
     
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    Well, now, there is that.
     
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    Don’t Stop Believing ‘borrows’ pretty heavily from Rush’s Spirit of Radio, right down to the key, chord progressions and rhythm.
     
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    It's Ross Valory with a good, piano-like tone on Don't Stop Believing. A pick and lots of upper midrange? He got fired from Journey. They say it steps from a an attempted corporate coup by Valory and drummer Steve Smith. Who knows the reality? Journey has always operated as a corporation, which in itself is not a bad thing for a band.
     
  19. thunderbyrd

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    this is absolutly the truth, Wabashslim. thank you for reminding me of this fact.
     
  20. Danb541

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    I don't know what the song is about other than staying positive regardless of your place or situation in life.

    I did go down this wormhole on youtube a while back, it's pretty funny. There are a bunch of videos of people remaking the separate ways video.



     
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