Does truth exist?

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  1. 3-Chord-Genius

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    Truth does exist. But if I expand on this, I'm going to get banned again for violating whatever random rules get stretched and then thrown at me for it.

    But absolute truth does exist.
     
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    We'll find out.
     
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    Most of us can't even face the truth about ourselves - forget about asking whether anything else may be true or not ;).

    Of course truth exists - it's opposite is denial of truth.
     
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    Yes, "cogito ergo sum" as Descartes were won't to say.

    As a born cynic I adopt a hermeneutic of suspicion to most things these days.

    Whenever I hear someone end a statement with "and that's the truth" I think Hmmmm?

    Or if I hear someone start a sentence with "to be honest" I think Hmmmm?

    But then, I am left handed, so how sinister is that?
     
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    Yep.

    It goes along with 3 chords. Maybe it's an amp?
     
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    Acceleration doesn’t = a =v−ut. It = Whatever, dude.


    Density doesn’t = ρ=mV. It = Whatever, dude.


    Force doesn’t = F = m × a. It = Whatever, dude.


    Energy to do work doesn’t P=Wt. It = Whatever, dude.


    2 + 2 doesn’t = 4. It = Whatever, dude.


    E doesn’t equal mc2. It = MC Hammer.


    There’s no difference if your boss pays you $1,000 or $1.00. Or takes $10 from your pocket. Which can’t be there, because there is no truth.


    If you have cancer, you don’t want it diagnosed as early as possible, or your treatment course derived from the most accurate understanding of the disease and your case that’s possible. Instead, because there is no truth, you want…someone saying “There is no truth. So whatever.”


    Dude.


    And saying “There is no truth” doesn’t = saying that that is the truth. Instead, uh, um, uhh…


    Yin and Yang's Venn Diagram, yes?

    Some things are objectively true, whether or not we see them, or even exist. F is gonna = ma long after we're carbon wisps.

    Other truths take our subjective selves' capacities to see them. Mozart is gonna be more complex than ABBA, but that depends on human presence to note.

    Then there's the subjective stuff, which can more fun and immune from the testing of the objective stuff. I love cabbage, I dislike kale, etc., etc.

    So ya gotta wonder, why do people (self-contradictorily) chant relativism, exaggerate subjectivity, extol solipsism, preach ignorance--even when doing so is so blatantly foolish?

    Something to hide? Something to license themselves to do? A tweeny angst? A childish need to needle the world in which oncologists struggle to be accurate, judges peer through fog to see facts, we want our boss to pay us precisely what we've earned?

    When I was a social worker, I had several clients who struggled to learn how to read a bus schedule so they could get themselves to work on time and back home safely. They were immensely proud when they accomplished this, and that pride gave them confidence to keep learning and flourishing and become as independent as their limitations allowed. It was beautiful to see them summon effort into knowledge. It was a dignity within them, and a gift for me to be a small part of that.

    So when people sneer that truth doesn't happen....

    Isn't that what some ex-officials of a certain war liked to yowl to cover their deeds when they were caught hiding in Argentina under fake names?

    Some things are fun or innocent to toy with. Truth, not.
     
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    surely it's a better read than the dictionary!!
     
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    Hey all you philosophy blokes, I dare you to do some Derrida deconstruction of this truth stuff.
     
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    Truth exists, and by definition there can't be "your truth" and "my truth," they are mutually exclusive.
     
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    because you 'believe' it.

    which is like a giant trapdoor... or really more like when cartoon characters go off a cliff... they don't fall thousands of feet until they realize that they are putatively 'off the edge of a cliff'... so long as they believe they are on solid ground, they act accordingly. It sucks.. but.. it is... well, you know... the way it is.
     
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    I feel derided.
     
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