Does proper grammar matter at all anymore?

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  1. Norris Vulcan

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    But we have one, called 'English'!

    My teenage son speaks and writes American English, due to his consumption of online content. "Gotten", "in back" of, "color", etc etc are all now part of his vocabulary. Sometimes I don't understand what he says...
     
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    I can see emoji becoming very embedded in general comms in the future. It’s useful to add a further layer of context when we want to transfer meaning accurately along with other nuances when chatting to people around the world. I have no issue with it.

    The OP’s specific example and why it was right to point it out, is that there was a logic issue and the meaning of the communication was completely ambiguous. A communication that cannot be understood or that can be easily misinterpreted is useless communication. Simple as that.

    I can forgive spelling and casual language anytime in a place like this but if we have to accept pointless, nonsense communication from anybody on some fake class or culture argument, shame on us all.
     
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    Your absolutely right!
     
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    I wasn't gonna bite, but then I went to local online news, and at the top of the page..."Tracking some heavy rain at times"
    You've gotta be kiddin' me.
    Obviously a usage issue, not a grammar problem.
     
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    Proper grammar matters to me, and I strive to use it. In much the same way as the OP, I cringe at professional writers who produce poorly written articles. In this age of spelling and grammar checking, there's no excuse for these glaring poor examples.

    Which is more important- having a great idea, or being able to communicate this idea to others? The two go together like an electric guitar and amplifier. One is not much good without the other.
     
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    Teh fnuneist tihng si ew dno’t even raed teh way shcolos taech
     
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    The question of what is an appropriate education for the "Polity" is at least 2,500 years old.

    The history of formal compulsory education is well known.

    Your signature quote is one I always liked.

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    For me, job candidates using emoji-era language during the application process date are placed immediately on the no pile.

    I suppose in a small way grammar matters for those people.
     
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    Yes, it matters. It's one of life's secret handshakes.
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
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    The problem with language is that usage constantly shifts. Perhaps Twitter doubling their character count will spawn a renaissance in proper usage. Unfortunately it will birth more pointless emojis and faux acronyms that will become internet slang. Illiteracy will prevail if we aren't careful.

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    I saw a Chinese engineer give a presentation to a group of Americans once, and he prefaced his remarks with, "I'm sorry if my English is hard to understand, but I think my English is better than your Chinese" which pretty much shut everybody up.

    This is a tough one for me. I understand that teaching is a vital and noble profession, and also one that doesn't pay anywhere near what it should and that teachers are usually saddled with ridiculous burdens and receive little support from the school system for their endeavors. My son's teachers in the public school system have been, without fail, hardworking and dedicated people whom I respect greatly. However, when he brings home notes from his teachers that feature gross grammatical errors and misspellings, I can't help but think, "what the hell are you teaching my kid?"
     
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    ^^^^Fat and dumb.


    Remember how they used to say the 20th century was the “American century” ?

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    I think it does as an ex- teacher and lecturer.
    I like that Shakespearean quote.

    As a retired Maths teacher/ Lecturer I wonder about the " dumbing down" of any subject.
    Today we celebrated the landing on the lunar surface.
    Just after that the successful Apolllo 13 mission which came down to human intelligence and od slide rules.
    Will technology lead us into another " Dark Age?". I hope not.
     
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    Here, here!
     
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    One of my managers used to have me go over all his reports and 'serious' email to check his grammar, punctuation and spelling. I'm not a grammar police person-type but I do know the rules and he understood that.

    Years ago a friend of mine was teaching English at a local high school. He and I used to frequent the same cafeteria to do our work after hours. He was there correcting essays from a Grade 11 class and asked me to read a couple of them. Those kids, at that age level, were functionally illiterate. They couldn't spell and couldn't compose a logical sentence. And he was expected to grade them on their papers. It gave me a new appreciation of that job as a teacher at least!
     
  19. Tonetele

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    From memory " therein lies the rub" Macbeth I believe. Enough!!
    Let's not "dumb down" any subject ( even visual Arts).

    Fortunately our government is pouring $billions into Science, Maths and Technology after a 30 year waste of money.
     
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    It won't matter shortly, things like grammarly will take care of it.
    The real question is, what value will these auto corrected works have?

    Example: A person spends their entire life perfecting their carpentry skills, they make the most beautiful table.
    Now a person comes along with a machine, you throw a few planks in it and out comes the same table with even better tolerances.

    Which table is worth more? Which is better? What is the value of humans learning and applying skills?
     
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