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Discussion in 'Amp Central Station' started by Augustin187, Feb 19, 2021.
my ears prefer 10's for guitar something about the sound pressure.
at low volume i like them all
10's might be good for mic'ing but I find 12's are so much more pleasing in the room.
Had a Princeton w/10" that had as much bass as my deluxe but never had the "feel" of the Deluxe.
The nice thing about 1x12 is: you can practice at low volume & still get some feel.
1x10 has much less feel at low volume - found myself turning up to get feel out of 10" - by that time you were perhaps louder than you wanted to be.
You can get a great distorted tone out of small speakers at lower volumes but it may lack the air movement to create any feel-in-the room (recording it sounds fine but in the room maybe no feel). I've had many small amps that sounded great recording but not satisfying in-the-room so you don't get the feel-feedback you might like to play off off. Depends. Playing without the air movement (i.e. through headphones or studio monitors) is almost a separate discipline than just playing though an amp in the room. Try playing through a plug-in on the computer and you'll get the idea - it sounds great w effects and all but you get no feel/feedback and it takes getting used to - it's hard for me.
That being said, it's a personal recipe of amp, cabinet, desired volume & room size that adds up to a "good" tone for you (everybody's formula is different and you have to experiment - it's more than just speaker size).
I don't remember what caught my attention about Celestion Gold 10's, but the first time I heard someone playing that I just *had* to ask about his rig, he raved about his Gold 10's. The more I researched and listened to A/B's, the more I was hooked. I had RevSound build me a 2x10 that I drive with a 30watt Ethos OD Amp pedal fed by my chambered Partscaster via Joe Barden Tele pickups. I couldn't tell you if it's the speaker brand, the size, the cab, the amp, the guitar or the pickups but the rig has the "Voice of God". These days I think I could be happy with 15 watts and a 1x10 but whatever comes next there will be a Celestion Gold in it.
1x12 or 2x10 for me ... 2x12 and beyond tends to lead me down a path that is a little too hard ; ]
What this guy said in an earlier post: "12" sounds better playing alone due to the extra low end. 10" sounds better with a band due to the lack of low end."
Pro Junior sounds way better than Blues Junior. Partly diff. circuitry but same power tube config. and Pro is 10" and Blues is 12".
This thread has be thinking I need a 1x10 cabinet now...
I really like my Pro Jr. but I have considered putting the amp portion in a cabinet with a 12" speaker except that I like the Pro Jr. so much I never get around to it.
I like them both ... altho currently in my house among 6 amps, plus in boxes a never-yet-used Jensen and 2 re-coned '69 VR speakers, there is a total of a dozen 10" speakers and no 12" (or any other size) ... so I guess that says something for my preferred tastes! As our band is not overly loud, I've used single 10" amps or occasionally 2 10" amps for all kinds of gigs with no problem at all, including outside. However, at a practice once (for our all-Beatles band Apple Scruffs) I used a guy's SFDR and really liked that extra bit of meat the DR 12" lent to my Tele.
I'm 70 and retired, with not much income, so I need to be creative. I'm in the process of reconfiguring my gear.
While I usually prefer a 12, this thread has got me thinking I'll also need a 2x10 cab though. I love the sound of a vibrolux, for instance.
I have an old Peavey Backstage plus with 1 10 that is damn loud and can sound pretty great. I'll be keeping that, and maybe making it into a head/cab as well, so I can play it through other cabs. I've heard a couple played through 12s that sound very nice.
I just got a DV Mark 12" neo cab that sounds great with my ZT Lunchbox driving it. That's plenty of juice for gigs, and with the right pedal setup, it will get me there with a total weight of less than 30 lbs including pedal board.
I'll be selling my Roland BC 60 and will be looking for different heads to use with the various cabs.
And, I love my Supro BK12. Might be fun to hook it up to that 2x10 I'm now thinking of.
I play virtually every gig with a 1x10 Reverend goblin amp. Not so much for the speaker, but this amp is perfect for the stuff I play.
I know the cabinet was designed to sound good with the specific speaker in it (Jensen Neo 10).
Basically whatever makes you sound like you think you should.
My SFPR with a Weber 10F150T sounds much bigger than one would expect from a 10" speaker. The Allen TO-22 sure helps as well!
I have both amps with '10 and '12 inch speaker
A 15 watt Fender Super Champ X2 with a 10 inch speaker
A 5 watt Black Star HT-5 with a '12 inch speaker
Sometimes I think that the Fender Super Champ X2 should have the '12 inch speaker
and the Blackstar should have the '10 inch speaker
Because the Fender have more volume and umph
I'm kinda hung up on 10" JBLs, have them in two amps, a 2x10 in my 70 DR and 1x10 in my Super Champ X2. I think the sound of the Super Champ would be a bit better if the cab was somewhat larger, but the JBL D110F in it really sounds much larger than the stock speaker, and makes it feel much larger to my back!
Eminence Copperhead in my Super Champ XD - love it!
Didn't Jimmy Page use a Fender Champ for loads of early Zeppelin recordings? 8 inch speaker?
It's kinda fun to play through something massive from time to time, but always worth remembering where the guitar's tone sits compared to other band instruments. You don't really NEED any significant bottom end.
Marty Stuart and the Fabulous Superlatives gig with Princeton Reverbs pretty often.
That seems a lot more reasonable than when they played here some years ago. Marty had two silverface Twin Reverbs and Kenny had a full stack, either a Reverend or a Buddha I think.
Good grief. They've converted to PRs and DRs mostly.
I’ve always liked a 12” over a 10”. Always played my old Gretsch 6156 Playboy through a 1x12 cabinet. However I have come to like a 15” the best. I’ve been playing my 20 watt modded Pro Reverb through a reconed Altec 418 for the last year. The Altec lives in an old Univox bass cabinet which I converted to open back. Real full sound at moderate volumes.
My best amp for gigs, solo playing, home use, and something that doesn't break my back like I did when I was 20-something... is a Mesa/Boogie Subway Rocket Reverb... I've used this amp since about 2007 and haven't needed anything else... it is a (very loud) 22 watts, into a 1x10" combo: amp porn here:
I had an Orange Rocker 15 1x10" and loved it... but financial foo-bars came my way and I had to make a choice... so I sold it (and cried all the way home)...
I also have a Mesa/Boogie Express 5:25+ that is a 1x12"... I don't love the 1x12" anymore than a 1x10", I just love Mesa/Boogie amps... I've been a hardcore Boogie guy for 30+ years... I used to lug around a Mark II-B and was ecstatic when I discovered the very light (37lbs) Subway Rocket Reverb
Here's a stock photo of my Express 5:25+ in vanilla taurus & wicker...
In 1978 I was lugging around a 4x12 cab... 1979-80 I have a rack mount Ashly SC-40 preamp/rack mount power amp, with 2 x (Dave West made) 1x12 cabs (w/ Electro-Voice Pro Line EVM 12S speakers inside) I suppose I was more of a one man forklift crew back then...
Now-days I like lighter, more technologically advanced amps,,,if it needs to be louder than my 1x10", 22 watt Subway Rocket Reverb, then grab a mic and pump it into the front of house... sit it on a chair pointing up at me and that's all I need...
I also have a Roland Cube Street EX, 50 watts, 2x8", runs on batteries or AC, has 2 channels, one with a nice XLR input for P.A./solo guitar use... weighs 16lbs... I can hold it in front of me on one finger... very loud, excellent with pedals... has a speaker stand mount in one end... for my solo gig grab-and-go stuff, its the perfect amp... One guitar, one mic stand, one speaker stand, and this amp... I only take up a small corner of the room and make lots of sound
What I find is that after selling something I just about always regret selling it if it was for financial reasons... but if I just didn't like something out of the gate, I don't mind thinning the herd that way... and I might really love an amp when I first get it... glory in the tones for a while... then fall in love when the grass gets greener... but keep the first amp and the love usually rekindles later on... then there is (for me) a learning curve of where and when certain amps sound good with certain songs, etc...
That's my 2 cents... keep everything you got... its bought and paid for and hard to get the second time around...
Says the guy with 25 guitars.... hahahaha