Digital Larry
Friend of Leo's
When I say "Happy NGD" what I really mean is "better you than me!" and I can still enjoy it vicariously.
Do You Use "Cheerleading"?
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Harry Styron
Friend of Leo's
I can understand that an organization appears to be rewarding mediocrity and even incompetence.
Though I haven't been able to keep a job more than a couple of years, I wouldn't characterize myself as an uberachiever. When I was in my 20s and 30s, I thought it was important to point out the organizational weaknesses to my fellow employees, as though these things weren't obvious to many people, including the upper management. I became self-employed, inevitably.
My take on this is that organizations often have a greater need for yes-men than they do for malcontents and people who think of themselves as uberachievers. Having people that show up every day and their jobs in the expected manner is essential at many levels of an organization. As an employer, I learned the value of the plowhorses, and grew quickly tired of the pretty ponies.
No doubt, some people are truly uberachievers, and many organizations find places for them or they strike out on their own, sometimes wishing they had a crew of people to work for them who showed up every day and followed instructions.
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I think we're talking about the same thing, but I may be using the wrong term. An uberachiever in my mind is a person that sets very high standards of performance for themselves for the betterment of everyone in the organization. It's my interpretation of the 'we all succeed together or we all fail together' sort of employee. Done correctly, this sort of cheerleading can be a very good thing for an organization when leadership fosters it.
You guys are all *rock stars*!!!
brindlepicker
Tele-Holic
I hope you tell her No I’m not..
Don’t go to any Little league baseball games.
I go to my kid’s MIddle school award day and 1/2 the class gets the merit roll or honor roll.
They get to use study guides for taking tests and get to retake them and make up skipped work that would’ve been 0’s back at my school for crying out loud.
raito
Poster Extraordinaire
No, I don't. The keynote speaker at a recent symposium spoke sbout getting along with Gen Z. Apparently, they're so insecure enough that if their socialnjeduua posrs don't get enough likes, they take them down.
I'm currently in an online class. That institution has an irritating textbot thst tells me how wonderful I am. Yecch.
I'm currently in an online class. That institution has an irritating textbot thst tells me how wonderful I am. Yecch.
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El Tele Lobo
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Depends who's doing the cheering. Now, if it's Twice, I will never say no to it. They ARE my favorite K-Pop group after all. In fact, they're the only one I really like. I've never heard a song by them I didn't like. They are talented singers, dancers, songwriters and performers...and they are all very sweet, likable people who seem to genuinely love one another like sisters. Amazingly, they are still humble in spite of their massive success...maybe a cultural thing. Or maybe just them as members. I don't know enough about other K-Pop groups, but I imagine they aren't all that way.
I'm not married, but I feel like in an ideal marriage a wife should be her husband's biggest cheerleader...and vice versa...but you also need that person to be able to tell you hard truths...lovingly, of course. Hard to find that...maybe that's why I'm still single.
I'm not married, but I feel like in an ideal marriage a wife should be her husband's biggest cheerleader...and vice versa...but you also need that person to be able to tell you hard truths...lovingly, of course. Hard to find that...maybe that's why I'm still single.
Nogoodnamesleft
Tele-Afflicted
At one point I had someone suggest a daily email reminder thing that gave me positive messages. I was getting them for years. Sometimes I looked forward to them. But upon it having an association with someone who did a lot of hurt, seeing them had a negative effect so I dropped it.
Perhaps I'm not manly man enough, but I do much better in life with small reminders that things are okay and daily attempts at gratitude.
Like most things with psychology, everyone is different. Some people, me included, do better with encouragement (cheerleading maybe?) than with "tough love". With whatever personality makeup I have, tough love is just validation to give up. Some people thrive in it.
AA was interesting. Lots of different personalities and different ways people try to encourage. I had everything from thank you for showing up to I wasn't going to enough meetings to I wasn't spending enough time before and after the meetings for extracurricular fellowship. I already had loads of guilt that led me there in the first place, so the last thing I needed was more. I recognize it was probably their way of helping but I stopped going to meetings.
Still sober though. My daughter is encouragement enough to stay that way.
Perhaps I'm not manly man enough, but I do much better in life with small reminders that things are okay and daily attempts at gratitude.
Like most things with psychology, everyone is different. Some people, me included, do better with encouragement (cheerleading maybe?) than with "tough love". With whatever personality makeup I have, tough love is just validation to give up. Some people thrive in it.
AA was interesting. Lots of different personalities and different ways people try to encourage. I had everything from thank you for showing up to I wasn't going to enough meetings to I wasn't spending enough time before and after the meetings for extracurricular fellowship. I already had loads of guilt that led me there in the first place, so the last thing I needed was more. I recognize it was probably their way of helping but I stopped going to meetings.
Still sober though. My daughter is encouragement enough to stay that way.
radtz
Friend of Leo's
I'm not a big fan of the "you can do it stuff" normally. But I have to say when the folks here were encouraging me n my thread where I was asking for chemo tips, I was really moved by it. I forgot I had heart cockles that could be heated.
it falls under the 'forgive those trespasses' for me. I try to encourage and empower people every day. At work, I listen to folks who have needs, wants, desires and I try to facilitate them in their activities to make them as fun as they can be and as productive as possible.
I'm nice to my neighbors and offer to help. Most of all, when people tell me their plans, I don't process their plans as though I'm being asked to evaluate them as much as just validate the person's efforts. HUGE difference. To that end, I tend to say 'hell, yeah, a bus trip to the holy land in the summer! Awesome!'
People are often insecure. If you are using a diet site, it usually isn't to lose 10 lbs, right? It is because there is a long enough history of poor choices that the thought is some supervision and some forced circumspection might help. It is true that the failure rate on diets is hard... why? Because left to our devices and choices we will self destruct as we eat ourselves into passivity or we'll reward with food the toll that stress and work have had on us.
Instead, the focus is on developing better habits and practices and doing something 'new' and 'foreign' which would make a lot of people less self assured and more in the market for some validation and encouragement.
If the site worked otherwise for you, shrug. no big deal. but, if it failed, was it the site or our inability to commit to a new plan and way?
The question becomes is the encouragement and praise legitimate or false? Most people assume the messaging is just crap and not real and condescending or patronizing.... If it helps someone, does it matter?
A lot of people need encouragement and support. A LOT.
I'm nice to my neighbors and offer to help. Most of all, when people tell me their plans, I don't process their plans as though I'm being asked to evaluate them as much as just validate the person's efforts. HUGE difference. To that end, I tend to say 'hell, yeah, a bus trip to the holy land in the summer! Awesome!'
People are often insecure. If you are using a diet site, it usually isn't to lose 10 lbs, right? It is because there is a long enough history of poor choices that the thought is some supervision and some forced circumspection might help. It is true that the failure rate on diets is hard... why? Because left to our devices and choices we will self destruct as we eat ourselves into passivity or we'll reward with food the toll that stress and work have had on us.
Instead, the focus is on developing better habits and practices and doing something 'new' and 'foreign' which would make a lot of people less self assured and more in the market for some validation and encouragement.
If the site worked otherwise for you, shrug. no big deal. but, if it failed, was it the site or our inability to commit to a new plan and way?
The question becomes is the encouragement and praise legitimate or false? Most people assume the messaging is just crap and not real and condescending or patronizing.... If it helps someone, does it matter?
A lot of people need encouragement and support. A LOT.
I used to drink one of those O'doul's once in a while. I'm probably the only guy in the world that might get drunk on 'em. I'm so programed to be drunk when I drink, just smelling of whiskey will give me a buzz!
Digital Larry
Friend of Leo's
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Dik Ellis
Tele-Afflicted
The only cheerleader I have has been sleeping next to for the past 45 years.
THX1123
Tele-Afflicted
I'm not sure if hollow praise, or rando topical cheerleading, or Participation Trophy Culture is worse than the now-standard bureaucratic Mutual Appreciation Society™
I was reminded of this song by the OP:
People like to hear their names
I'm no exception
I was reminded of this song by the OP:
People like to hear their names
I'm no exception
El Tele Lobo
Poster Extraordinaire
Great video by an awesome band!
tfarny
Poster Extraordinaire
Are we allowed to "like" your comment or will that also cause issues?
Timbresmith1
Friend of Leo's
(Me, lurking behind parentheses, not hitting the like button)
No. But I have two granddaughters on separate cheer squads...
cyclopean
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Looking at the thread, i assumed this was going to be more of a “are you like public enemy and do you have a bunch of dancers/hype people on stage with you?”
wulfenganck
Tele-Afflicted
Well it depends on the tone. If it's some kind of "good boy" pat on the back, it's condescending and patronizing. And yes, there are certtain fora/groups where the constant cheering seems kind of over the top and out of proportion.
But then: is there really such a major difference between "cheerleading" and people putting up pics of their new guitars, amps, pedals or uploading their latest songs on this forum?
Why do that, if not for some "well done"- or "good find"-comments?
But then: is there really such a major difference between "cheerleading" and people putting up pics of their new guitars, amps, pedals or uploading their latest songs on this forum?
Why do that, if not for some "well done"- or "good find"-comments?
