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Do You Think a Mid Control is Necessary?

Discussion in 'Amp Central Station' started by Dan_Pomykalski, Sep 29, 2020.

  1. TokyoPortrait

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    Hi.

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    I use Fender and Mesa amps. A Mid control is a must have for me. I've heard that a BF with the mid set on 4 is about the same as a BF circuit with a fixed mid. That sounds about right to me.

    When I'm dialing in a sound I'll freely move the mid around. Generally I put the mids on 10 to get more of a tweedy, fat, "brown" sound. I set it around 4 or 0 for a scooped mids classic BF sound. Give me an amp with mids and I'm happy.
     
  3. Veitchy

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    I'm a bit weird in that on paper I'd always state that I'd prefer a mid control. That said, in terms of amps I like to play I tend to skew towards smaller combos, at least with Teles. Most fenders and Vox ACs don't have a mid control, though I reckon the cut on the Vox can also emphasize/attenuate some upper mids to my ears.

    I guess I like a mid control but I've learned to work around it's absence as well.
     
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    You’re right. I mixed it up with something else. Bassman maybe? They’ve never sounded good when I plugged into em, so I never paid much attention to em. My bad.
     
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    One thing I like about my Blues Cube Hots, Nextone Stage, Jazz Choruses, and THR100HD is that they have tone stacks that aren't really the same as those on more traditional amps. The TMB controls are flexible in a wide but usable range, and I can really dial them in. For me, they're more useful, and the presence control on the THR and the Nextone is a nice bonus as well.
     
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    don't need it - have a deluxe reverb without it and super reverb with it etc.
     
  7. jimbo735

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    I bypassed the whole tone circuit once on my Silver face Twin Reverb,OMG who needs Tone controls What a Beast!:lol:
     
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  8. EsquireOK

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    I like a mid control — two of them, ideally. It’s great to be able to have a separate knob for low mid and high mid. But that’s generally something you only see on bass amps, and even then, it’s not the norm.

    But do I “need” one? No. My main amp for decades didn’t have one. In fact, all it had was a single band “tone“ knob, which was a treble control.

    I didn’t necessarily need the utmost in versatility from that amp. But if I did, I would want as many tone knobs as feasible. If thought the tone controls were lacking, I would want a graphic EQ, preferably built into the amp, but if not, an external one.

    To this day, IMO some of the best tone controls ever included on amps were the old Ampeg controls with the rocker switches.
     
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  9. Ricky D.

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    I don't need a mid control at all. Don't need a treble control. Don't need a bass control. I leave the tone knob on 12 most of the time. I do like a bright channel or bright switch.

    Tweed Deluxe all the way. Fat beautiful clear cleans and that vicious overdrive. I get just what I want and I don't have to fool with ten knobs to get it.
     
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    On my amps that don't have a mid control, I learn to live and play without it. But most of mine do have a mid control and I just find it easier to tweak what I really need at the time....usually in small bits and pieces. But there IS a difference.
     
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    Love Mid controls on my amps. Especially Blackface circuits. I can scoop em' or fatten em' up as needed.
     
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    Nope. No Mid control needed.

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  13. Dan_Pomykalski

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    This is my thought as well. Less mids in a BF/SF tone stack doesn’t seem like something most people would be after.
     
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    I’m not really sure I understand your point about me conflating two issues.

    3 o’clock on the mid knob would be less mids than the stock fixed value of 6.8k, which would pretty much sound the same as a mid knob all the way up, depending on the pot’s taper.
     
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    I’ve done this a few times as well, but found myself always using the stock value.
     
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    The fixed value resistor in BF/SF amps is 6.8k, which would sound pretty similar to a mid pot, which is usually a 10k pot, all the way up. This is why I’m wondering why someone would feel it’s necessary, since a mid control would really only allow someone to scoop the mids even more than they already are.
     
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    An amp with a typical BF/SF tone stack has a fixed resistor of 6.8k, which would basically be like having the mid control maxed.
     
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    I prefer a 3 band eq

    I can’t stand amps that just have a single “tone” knob
     
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    I don't "need" any of my guitars or amps, but I sure as hell do need a midrange control...
     
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