Do you really die if you use a Star Trek transporter?

[HoodieMcFoodie]

President Skroob has the answer...

 

[Doctorx33]

I have a book at home that explains in ST universe and out ST universe how the transporters work. I'll look at it at when I get home. My opinion is that it isn't death.

"The law of conservation of mass or principle of mass conservation states that for any system closed to all transfers of matter and energy, the mass of the system must remain constant over time, as system mass cannot change quantity if it is not added or removed. Hence, the quantity of mass is "conserved" over time. The law implies that mass can neither be created nor destroyed, although it may be rearranged in space, or the entities associated with it may be changed in form, as for example when light or physical work is transformed into particles that contribute the same mass to the system as the light or work had contributed. Thus, during any chemical reaction, nuclear reaction, or radioactive decay in an isolated system, the total mass of the reactants or starting materials must be equal to the mass of the products."

 

[Brad Pittiful]

Are you sure about that?

yeah pretty sure

btw...your sig that says chicks dig me...its that from the film stripes?

 

[scottser]

you guys are talking like the self is one homogenous entity. it isn't:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parasites_of_humans

 

[RoyBGood]

Didn't you guys see this....

...I did and it taught me to always take the conventional route from Point A to Point B. (...'and at weekends, Point C' - Superintendent Chalmers, The Simpsons).

 

[String Tree]

btw...your sig that says chicks dig me...its that from the film stripes?

I used it with my old Avatar.

 

[Toto'sDad]

it worked perfectly most times on the show...in real life it doesnt exist

Now you're just all WRONG right there, if it worked just fine on the show, there's no reason it wouldn't work just fine right here. Well, maybe not in Oildale, but they DO know how to jaywalk to get to the other side of the road, 'cause they're all powered by dilithium crystals anyway.

 

[fjrabon]

This isn't even the really interesting question based on the Star Trek transporter.

How the transporter basically works is by mapping out your entire exact physical structure, transporting that information and then reconstituting it from scratch in the "to" location. Finally it then vaporizes the original down to its constitutent atoms in the "from" location.

The intersting question/realization is that the last step isn't strictly necessary. If the original wasn't destroyed would there now be two "yous"?

To divorce this from Star Trek, this is essentially just the philosophical question of whether or not the specific atoms is what makes you "you" or is it their structure?

I think most people tend to say it's the specific atoms, even though they don't use that terminology, because they identify the "from" version in the Star Trek hypothetical as the "real" you. But we also realize that this doesn't make any sense, because a hydrogen atom is a hydrogen atom is a hydrogen atom. Furthermore this would mean every time you ate or pooped or whatever else, that you became a different person, as you cycled out and in new atoms. But yet you could have a massive stroke that completely changed your personality and memory and still be you. I.e. Under the "specific atoms matter" theory a bowel movement changes who you are more than a debilitating stroke.

Now if we start throwing in magic souls, things get messier, because then it's just whatever the magic wants to do. With souls, then the real version would be whichever god (or whatever) wanted the soul to attach to. Or god (or whatever) could even create an additional soul to attach to the "new" body.

 

[Asmith]

^^ This. It's not fiction.

Cells replace themselves regularly.

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Except your table reads life time for central nervous system!

Your body is constantly replacing itself and will completely replace on a molecular level a number of times during your lifetime. You're constantly dying and being reborn at all times. If you're being put back together with the same molecules, you're more yourself after teleport than you are who you were 15 years ago.

I'm not sure I'd do it anyway, though.

^^This. It's fiction.

It's a myth that all cells will have replaced themselves over a period of time.

"Skin cells live about two or three weeks. Colon cells have it rough: They die off after about four days. Sperm cells have a life span of only about three days, while brain cells typically last an entire lifetime (neurons in the cerebral cortex, for example, are not replaced when they die)."

http://www.livescience.com/33179-does-human-body-replace-cells-seven-years.html

Once your brain has developed your stuck with it. So don't bang your head against the wall to many times, you need those brain cells. This is why we end up with dimentia or just senile as we age. Although I'm not worrying about it anytime soon!

 

[Toto'sDad]

I'm just wondering if you know Uhura and Kirk ever tried....

 

[Guitarteach]

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I'm not certain about that

 

[william tele]

This isn't even the really interesting question based on the Star Trek transporter.

How the transporter basically works is by mapping out your entire exact physical structure, transporting that information and then reconstituting it from scratch in the "to" location. Finally it then vaporizes the original down to its constitutent atoms in the "from" location.

The intersting question/realization is that the last step isn't strictly necessary. If the original wasn't destroyed would there now be two "yous"?

To divorce this from Star Trek, this is essentially just the philosophical question of whether or not the specific atoms is what makes you "you" or is it their structure?

I think most people tend to say it's the specific atoms, even though they don't use that terminology, because they identify the "from" version in the Star Trek hypothetical as the "real" you. But we also realize that this doesn't make any sense, because a hydrogen atom is a hydrogen atom is a hydrogen atom. Furthermore this would mean every time you ate or pooped or whatever else, that you became a different person, as you cycled out and in new atoms. But yet you could have a massive stroke that completely changed your personality and memory and still be you. I.e. Under the "specific atoms matter" theory a bowel movement changes who you are more than a debilitating stroke.

Now if we start throwing in magic souls, things get messier, because then it's just whatever the magic wants to do. With souls, then the real version would be whichever god (or whatever) wanted the soul to attach to. Or god (or whatever) could even create an additional soul to attach to the "new" body.

All I can say is that if it happens like that and we advanced that far then it should be no big deal to program the transporter to modify whatever atoms need changing to become anything you want. Whiter teeth, shorter nose, less love handles...or even become the animal of your choice.

Regarding magic souls...some claim those can ALREADY be transported...

 

[Frfly]

Except your table reads life time for central nervous system!



^^This. It's fiction.

It's a myth that all cells will have replaced themselves over a period of time.

"Skin cells live about two or three weeks. Colon cells have it rough: They die off after about four days. Sperm cells have a life span of only about three days, while brain cells typically last an entire lifetime (neurons in the cerebral cortex, for example, are not replaced when they die)."

http://www.livescience.com/33179-does-human-body-replace-cells-seven-years.html

Once your brain has developed your stuck with it. So don't bang your head against the wall to many times, you need those brain cells. This is why we end up with dimentia or just senile as we age. Although I'm not worrying about it anytime soon!

Thanks for correction.

So the main issue to me is, does it send your actual molecules and rebuild them after they shoot your own broken down particles through space or use you as a template to build a new you from local materials in the new location? I'd prefer to keep my molecules and have them shot through subspace or whatever tech we use to slingshot molecules across the universe. Eases the mind a bit.

If it breaks you down at A, puts a "clone" of you at B, but then breaks down the clone of you at B and restores you at A, but incorporates the changes that occurred at location B, so you retain memories of your "clone" for the time it was on the other planet... meep. Sounds fun.

Being broken down and rebuilt, you don't really exist for a few seconds, so I guess you're dead, but you're not really in a form where alive exists as a concept, so whatever.

 

[rcole_sooner]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jaunt

"As his family prepares to be "Jaunted" to Mars, Mark entertains his two children by recounting the curious tale of the discovery and history of teleportation. He explains how the scientist who discovered the Jaunt quickly learned that it had a disturbing, inexplicable effect on the mice sent through the two Jaunt portals. The mice would either die instantly or behave erratically before dying moments later. The scientist eventually concluded that they could only survive the "Jaunt effect" while unconscious.

.....

Ricky held his breath while being administered the general anesthesia in order to experience the Jaunt while conscious, and has been rendered completely insane. Ricky confirms the terrible nature of the conscious Jaunt, shrieking "It's longer than you think, Dad! Longer than you think!" Ricky then claws his own eyes out as he is wheeled away from his horrified family by several Jaunt attendants."

 

[Obsessed]

Obviously, since your are traveling near or at the speed of light during the transporter cycle, you end up younger on the other end. Just sayin'

 

[Guitarteach]

I see TDPRI's first collaborative Amazon ebook personal publishing effort?

Some good plot lines here?

Might make $3!!!

 

[Guitarteach]

Of course the questions we all need to know the answers to are; does your guitar's mojo teleport and will teleportation effect its tone?

 

[Anode100]

So...why did the Chicken teleport across the Road, and did it get there before the Egg?

"Are you freebasing? Enquiring minds want to know..."

 

[xafinity]

You bring a jacket, I'll make a mix tape.
I'm hot to trot and surrounded by rot

 

[telleutelleme]

See where it was made. If China it may be a Fake Copy and you'll not be happy with the results.