Do you get Frank Zappa ?

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  1. Richard T

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    He did so many different things, all/most of it fairly intense, 'getting' all of it is a big ask but not getting any of it should be a cause for reflection.
     
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    Yes, the cruder and more shallow, the better...… :D

    I absolutely love Beefheart, too. Saw at least one gig, on each European tour.

    I have a big stack of vinyl and virtually all of it, on CDs, too.
     
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    Uh , it’s Varese...:rolleyes: :lol:

    Anywho, he also stated many times how important this one piece of music was on him

     
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    The world’s greatest sinner

     
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    Yes, and love it.
     
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  7. Blue Bill

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    I liked some of his stuff, the funny stuff, back in high school. I think I might have pretended to like it more than I actually liked it, because the cool kids acted like they liked it. I agree with Squirrel, his snobby attitude was annoying. Nobody likes being insulted and looked down upon for being normal, do they? I saw him live in the early '80s; I think I walked out after an hour of endless guitar wankery.

    I can still sing Montana word for word. Raisin' it up... Waxin' it down.
     
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    Nope. I tried and tried, too. I get that he was inventive, satiric, and, for what he wanted to do with it, skilled at guitar, etc. But his music always seems to be saying, "Look at how inventive, satiric, etc., I am." I always hear his demanding ego, the performance of his pretensions, and never any textures, compelling poignance, or anything melodically magnetic. That's just me, though. I'm not wired in a way Frank could reach.
     
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    did not care for zappa for a long time despite being a steve vai fan. thought his lyrics were childish, and his guitar playing is mediocre at best. Was really only familiar with his more commercial(ironic) pieces. I watched a documentary on him and that kind of changed everything. Specifically, how he was a student of rhythm. That kind of put everything in a different light. Then I heard "baby snakes"... still blown away by that. Some of his stuff I still can't get past... but I have come to appreciate a lot of it: even the lyrics. Still think he's not a great guitar player, but then I also think that about clapton (go go gadget internet flame protection). Just one simpleton's take on it anyway.
     
  10. 4pickupguy

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    Yes, Frank Zappa was always a frustrated composer who found a way to have a career in rock. He was very sarcastic, intelligent and creative with a wickedly dry sense of humor. His compositions were extremely challenging requiring him to have only top tier players in his band. The list of famous musicians he discovered/mentored is staggering. His music can be difficult to follow as it can be extremely complex.
    His music is absolutely an acquired taste.
     
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  11. Mike Eskimo

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    Who cares ?

    It’s pretentious crap !

    Johnny Guitar Watson though ... yeah baby !
     
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    It’s a mud shark. What’s the deal Howie. I won’t talk about my sister like that
     
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    I love the absurd early mothers records. It’s been awhile since I listened to them but I totally think they are great interesting satire.
    As for Zappa, I like his guitar playing especially on roxy & elsewhere. penguin in bondage is a dumb song but man there is some great playing on there. once he gets into the instrumental/jazzy/orchestral stuff and what not I lose interest. But, again, I might feel differently if I went back and gave it more time.
     
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    Well, as we all know..."The crux of the biscuit ...is the apostrophe."

    I love Frank Zappa, but as another poster above said, there's a difference between "get" and "like".

    I "get" Zappa in as much as I'm fully on board with everything his music is trying to accomplish.

    I "like" it because I like the sounds it makes and I like the way those sounds make me feel.

    Nothing wrong with not having a taste for it. It's not for everyone. You're not a lesser person (or musician) if it doesn't speak to you.

    However, if you want to "get" Frank Zappa the man (and possibly have that influence your opinion of his music), I'd suggest picking up The Real Frank Zappa Book. It's Frank in his own words. His life, his music, his politics, his humor...it's all in there. You might not care for his music, but there's no denying that he's a very interesting dude.
     
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    Listen to this song and you’ll have a better understanding:

     
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    I think he was brilliant. I enjoy listening to his albums all the way through. I bought Freak Out and You Are What You Is when I was 17; those records were my Frank gateway.

    I wish he was still here.

    See signature!
     
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    Have been a fan of Zappa since the late '60s. Brilliant composer and musician when you give the right stuff a listen. One of my favorite albums is "jazz From Hell".
     
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    I have it! Great read, and I shoud say, I didn't see any of the snob in the book. Good honest memoir.



    I've noticed your sig!---it's probably my favorite Zappa quote. He did live in both worlds.

    "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse."
     
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    The cover art got us in first, we started seeing all these crazy covers with FZ MOI on the titles in our second hand record store in town. A few of us hung out there sat mornings looking through the LP's, we never had much money to actually buy any.......

    my classmate Chris who had a guitar was into FZ and he had managed to buy a few ... it started there.. along with early syd/PF lp's....

    A lot of the humor/local references went over our heads.. but we knew it was kick arse funny by his delivery... and then he'd blast out some guitar riffs that seemed impossible to play...

    No one was doing what fz was doing then.... I got to see him live in 73/74 , that was a highlight of the times for us....
     
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    ...and "laughing all the way to the bank", creatively sarcastic.
     
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