Direct to PA confusion

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I’ve gone direct to the PA successfully with an Ovation acoustic (not even a direct box); not so successful with a bass (PA monitors insufficient). That was years ago though…now we may have some gigs coming up which we are supposedly going to have to be amp-free. I will be on electric guitar but mainly playing rhythm. I have experimented with a Yamaha Magicstomp direct into the PA years ago (and still have it) but I found it less-than-optimum. Mainly, making adjustments on-the-fly really is almost impossible, so getting a decent tone was problematic unless I got lucky setting up a preset in advance. Getting from one preset to another is clumsy with it, too.

Today I see options ranging from $100 up to $3000. Uh, not going to spend a grand or more, sorry…. But what’s some easy-to-use options? I want an all-in-one solution, including the tuner. Don’t need a looper or drum track. Ive spent hours looking at Amazon and not thrilled with the choices. I just want a good clean channel, a channel with a little dirt, maybe a channel with a bit more dirt, and a decent chorus, that would fulfill my needs if I could easily tweak bass/mid/treble and gain to match the room, oh and reverb. XLR out would be sweet too. If this unit was phantom powered by the XLR I would be really happy!
 

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Boss ME-80 ( or any ME series really )
Fairly simple, sound great. You -may- want to add an active DI to the equation. Not phantom powered.
Normal pedal board -> Joyo American Sound/AC Tone/British -> active DI -or- Tech 21 Sansamp blah. Not phantom powered. You still use your normal pedals.

There are others along the lines of the Boss series, but that's the range I'm familiar with. Previous bandmates have used them to great effect.
An active DI with cab emulation is something that should be in every gig bag ( opinion ) anyway.
 

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I use a Line 6 Helix Floor and run direct to FOH on 90% of gigs. This may be an over the top option for the OP's requirements, but I'm sure there is something lower down in the Line 6 range that will meet the needs.
 

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First question...why has the gig got to be amp free ?
Singer is lining up the gigs, the rest of us are wondering the same thing—in 40 years of gigging, I have never played anywhere that dictated “thou shalt not have amps”…. But in these modern times, perhaps some venues have gone that route?
 

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That would be my preference, I have many amps and several of them are ideal for low stage volume.
Everything you need to go from your tube amp, direct to PA. It also has a decent, if limited, attenuator. Great piece of kit.

 

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Pod go, and it has multiple outs so you could also set up a monitor. Honestly I will always carry it now in case of an amp issue.
 

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I use a Helix direct to FOH... I've got it dialed in, and I am very comfortable with it. At this point it feels like a compromise when I need to use an amp.

OP does not need a full Helix... I'd suggest a POD Go, an HX Stomp, or something similar from another line.
 

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Reading the replies...and unless the singer is experimenting with Andy Warhol type arty farty music which includes not using amps....I'd pass. This sounds completely daft to me...." I'm sorry Mr Clapton...but you can't use your amp today ..." :)
 

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I would also prefer amps, but for what you describe, a tech 21 Fly rig seems perfect.

Or Mooer red truck for a cheaper version.

Another solution if you already have a pedalboard, is to just add an amp sim pedal with an xlr output, there are lots in all price ranges.
 

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Normal pedal board -> Joyo American Sound/AC Tone/British -> active DI -or- Tech 21 Sansamp blah. Not phantom powered. You still use your normal pedals.
This is the best, and cheapest solution. Why reinvent the wheel? You don't even need the DI, any sound company will have one.

Question - is this a casino, or a church gig?
 

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What is your max budget?

Do you have a pedal board that you already use with chorus, reverb and dirt pedals?

If you do have a pedal board, then you might find an amp and IR loader cab pedal to work really well for you. I'd recommend the Boss IR-200 or Walrus Audio ACS1. There's also the Strymon Iridium but it's a little bit less feature rich than the other two. The Boss has the most features but is more complicated and the Walrus falls somewhere in-between. If you want to go even cheaper, you can get an amp sim pedal and pair it with an inexpensive IR loading pedal. This would be the least expensive, without going too cheap, and perhaps easiest way to get there.

If you don't want to use a pedal board, then you might look at mid-range multi-effects pedals that feature good amp models and IR loading. There are some good choices in the $500 range, like the Boss GX-100 or Line 6 HX Stomp. These are more complex and will have features you probably won't use, but, with a little upfront work, you can get it narrowed down to your preferred patches that you almost never change.

To me, impulse response (IR) loading is the essential thing you need to get a good direct-in sound. I recommend using third party IRs that are multi-mic and match the speaker and cab on your favorite tube amp.
 

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We have a kind of Emergency Kit for gigs: a couple of power supplies, batteries, some cables, tape, a couple of tools and a Palmer Mark 2 Pocket-Amp and a Tech21 "The Blonde" in case my amp completely fails and I have to go direct to PA. It is......okay'ish, but only for absolute emergencies. I prefer the response and the sound of an amp in the room. I tried the rig of a friend (Line6), but i still miss something....nevertheless, there are some acceptable choices in the 350,- to 400,- Euro region like Two Notes, DSM & Humboldt, Tech21.
 

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I had for a long time a Line6 POD HD Pro in a rack, with a power amp to drive a cabinet, and a wireless rig. I was able to DI with the amp sims, which worked a treat. I know you can probably pick up a Line6 PODHD500X for a song these days, and that will do everything you want it to.
 

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Veleton Dapper Indie pedal on Amazon is the bone cheapest multi effects worth the effort. For a bit more than $100 it is very solid in the build, and has knobs for everything. If you add a FLAMMA FS06 Digital Preamp Pedal at $75 - you have a very easy to use, two pedal solution that is pretty incredible. Currently this is my "sitting by the sofa" rig, and I get an amazing range of high quality tones using the IR's and models in the Flamma. And FYI, I am comparing this to all the state of the art stuff I have upstairs..... In fact I like the Flamma better than the Boss or Line 6 stuff. The cleans are cleaner with more sparkle coming off the IR into either headphones or into an FRFR amp. I have never even hooked the pedal up to a PC, right out of the box it is pretty much perfect.
 




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