Did Todd Rip-Off Steve?

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  1. nojazzhere

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    I am a huge fan of Steve Winwood, from Spencer Davis, Traffic, Blind Faith and solo days. I am also a huge fan of Todd Rungdren, of Nazz, Utopia, and also solo career. There have been a few posts lately about songs that sound the same, or are even plagiarized from others. Here are examples for your comments. The two songs are Paper Sun (1967) by Traffic, and Under the Ice (1969) by Nazz (Todd) Now these songs are NOT identical, but the intro riffs pretty much are. Was this deliberate, accidental, or (as I like to think) an homage by Todd? Is this actionable? (I hope not)


    This really just gives me the opportunity to post two great videos.......ENJOY! ;)
     
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    Too many more similar sounding recordings, if you ask me.

    I hear stuff that is virtually a sample. And nothing comes of it. I wonder if people do it deliberately sometimes, to get media attention.
     
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    Did I miss something? Wasn't it Christopher Lloyd or one of his "henchmen"? (don't really care.....I just like using the word "henchmen")
     
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    Ice ice who ?
     
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    Every time I come up with a riff I have to think about it and end up discovering that it's been played before!

    After the Kings and the Beatles it was all over for guitar creativity...
     
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    Well yeah, Christopher Lloyd as Judge Doom did the deed, but...
     
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    Henchmen, HENCHMEN, henchmen, henchmen. You're right! No matter how you say it, it just sounds cool!
     
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    I just think of both song intros ( much like using a blues turnaround, or Country 1-5-1) as using similar popular musical devices, not one copying or stealing from another.

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    Have fond memories of being 10-11 or so (in 1968/9) constantly listening to my older sister's (by 7 years) great albums, Traffic was definitely in the mix!
    I knew then ( even much earlier) that I was fascinated by music!
     
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    Or, did The New Radicals



    rip off Todd Rundgren?

     
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    Everybody ripped off everybody. The inventor of the 1-4-5 has been ripped off a million times! Not to mention whomever invented the barre chord!
     
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    Abstractions can't be ripped off.
     
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    Thanks - two of my favourite tracks! - but personally, I don't think these two are particularly close....
    However the feel of this song always reminds me of the Young Rascals, (of Groovin' fame).
    Rascals..Radicals ?
     
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    I remember hearing the New Radicals song on the radio when it first came out and assuming it was a new Todd Rundgren song and thinking, "Man, that's the best thing he's done in years." Very cool song. Is it stealing or just paying homage? I think it reflects well on Rundgren because--in my case at least--it made me think of him and reminded me what a cool ear for hooks he has.
     
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    Funny, how the word meaning has drifted. From meaning "serious strong and fit guys", to seriously malevolent guys.

    A bouncer at a club probably should be called a "henchman". But the word is now in use doing something else.
     
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    I never looked that word up and always assumed it was a sort of indentured thug of low moral character.
     
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    henchman
    noun
    hench·man | \ ˈhench-mən \
    plural henchmen
    Definition of henchman


    1a : a trusted follower : a right-hand man
    b : a you know what (because we can't use THAT word here) follower whose support is chiefly for personal advantage
    c : a member of a gang
    2 obsolete : a squire or page to a person of high rank
     
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