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Did Musikraft screw up my neck order? I honestly don't know.

Discussion in 'Tele Home Depot' started by etype, Mar 27, 2020.

  1. Mar 27, 2020 #1
    etype

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    My Musikraft neck I ordered in January just arrived. It's beautiful and I bought it unfinished and so was going to start that process. But after taping of the rosewood fretboard, I decided to check the tuner holes.

    Before I ordered, I contacted them and asked which hold selection to make as the tuners I had were Gotoh SD91-MGs. I was told that its a good thing I called as none of the options would work and that I should make a note on the order (there is a space for that) that the shop should ask Jim to drill the holes and I should specify the model tuners I had.

    I did more than that, I added this in the comment section for the order:

    <<<Jim told me to alert the shop that none of the tuner hole options will work with the tuners I bought and that the shop should check with him for details. I have Gotoh SD91-MG tuners.

    The shafts are 5.96mm (0.234") diameter and the set comes with bushings for the face side of the headstock. The bushings have a diameter of 8.8mm (.346").>>>


    I also asked what I should choose for the tuner hole options as there is no way to leave it blank. He said it wouldn't matter; I chose 11/32"

    Well, in checking the tuner holes the other day, they are exactly 11/32" diameter. Either, that WAS the right option and Jim did not know that I could have chosen that, OR someone missed my note.

    I have emailed and called and no response for 3 days. I assume they are closed down as they are located in New Jersey.

    Does anyone know the proper hole size for the tuners I have. I'd like to proceed with the finishing, but don't want to do that if I have to return the neck.

    Thanks!
     
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  2. Mar 27, 2020 #2
    draggindakota

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    Well 11/32 is 0.344" so you're only .002" off. I'm no expert, but if it was my neck I'd roll with it. Worst case you give the holes a VERY slight twist with a tapered reamer before you press the bushings in.
     
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    11/32 is 8.7XXXmm or .34375"... which is just a hair smaller than your quoted specs for the bushings. Better smaller than too large and needing to use adapter bushings.

    In the 4 aftermarket necks I have purchased from various vendors I have yet to have tuners drop in. It was worth it to me to buy the right tools to enlarge the holes just a little and chamfer the edge so it doesn't chip out: a LONG tapered reamer and their tuner hole chamfer bit to avoid tear-out. They aren't cheap but neither are the necks. And with the Stew Mac club to get free shipping the cost is spread out over the 4 necks I've already worked on. That only works if you're in the U.S.

    OK, long story short....I think you got the right size holes.

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    jfgesquire

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    I have that reamer and it works, but it tends to grab one side and chip out the edge easier than the StewMac tools. I would definitely practice on some scrap first to get the hang of feeling when it is starting to grab too deep. The StewMac reamer has a much longer taper, too. I used the harbor freight one on a couple Chinese necks and it worked fine, but when I bought a nice solid rosewood neck I splurged for the dedicated tools.

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  6. Mar 27, 2020 #6
    Ronkirn

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    yep.. non issue,. .002 is less than the thickness of a sheet of plain old paper... if it's too snug after lacquering the neck.. a small ream will open it up...
     
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    etype

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    Thanks. After they told me it had to be a special hole, I expected a 0.346 hole on the face side and roughly a 0.234 hole on the back side (each going about 1/2 way through). Still, not thrilled about having to take more time, money and learn a new skill to get this right, especially if this was a mistake on their part.
     
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    etype

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    Stew-Mac does not have a 0.346" reamer. So I guess I want a 0.348" reamer and then just don't take it as far as I could (with shipping, its $32)? The Harbor freight one seems like it would make more of a cone shape. But $4 is a bargain!
     
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    The one guy on StewMac did a video tutorial showing how the first hole was a little bit at a time, then after that he marked the depth with a piece of masking tape for the other 5.

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    It's 0.002"!! No way would I buy a $32 tool. Heck, a little sandpaper wrapped around a dowel would work.

    Doesn't need to be perfect
     
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    Also the runout or the drill press might have made the hole slightly larger than the 11/32" drill bit.
     
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    The bushings don't feel like you could press them in at all. I cannot believe what a difference 0.002" makes!
     
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    the hole on the back side doesn't mean squat.. Since the machine's construction holds the post in check, there is no need for the wood to be any closer than the 11/32 nds..

    Oh yeah, Just do not force them.. they should go in with modest pressure.. if you have to pound them in.. stand by for the cracked headstock, and words you Momma was hoping you would never say.. :D

    If they are too snug. get a reamer and give it a twist or two in the hole.. If ya screw up and make it too loose, just apply a dab of epoxy around the periphery of the hole and slide it in..

    This isn't rocket science, it's not going to Mars, the ferrules just don't do all that much. there's plenty of guitars out there with NO ferrules at all..


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    Uhh... why not stick the bushing in and see how it fits...?
     
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    I've changed tuners/bushings quite a few times on guitars....

    One tool I made was a small press which is nothing more than a bolt that's similar in diameter to inside of busing, a couple of washers and a wing nut. If I can't press it in by hand I enlarge the hole. I've always had reamers laying about. A $10 General brand works if you're very careful.

    I just saw a thread about someone cracking the head stock by hammering in a bushing. I'd never hammer in a bushing! It takes a little finesse to determine how tight it too tight. It just needs to be snug and not rattle. Local RH will inform you weather to expect contracting or expanding hole. Remember there's this stuff called "glue" if you go a bit too big just glue it in!
     
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    Quite agree! I've done it myself; it doesn't take long and costs virtually nothing.
     
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    Just received an email from Musikraft. All it says is that the holes they drilled should work fine (no indication of how they ended up using the standard 11/32" holes). You all have convinced me that that is correct, so I will get started with it. Thanks for the help.
     
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    I used this Harbor Freight reamer to go from 9mm to 10mm holes when I replaced the tuners on my Douglas. 2, maybe 3 twists and presto!
     
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    saw cut in end of dowel , insert sandpaper strip , chuck dowel in drill , roll up sandpaper and you have a gentle hole enlarger ;)
     
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    oops old thread so sorry
     
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