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"Dazed and Confused" Lawsuit. . . Finally.

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by micpoc, Jun 29, 2010.

  1. micpoc

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    It's about time! Now for the other 37 songs they ripped off... :rolleyes:
     
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    " If Holmes’ federal lawsuit is successful, he can only sue Page for damages from the past three years, due to the statue of limitations."


    Little battle of evermore in there too ??
     
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    I'm pretty ignorant about these things but won't it count heavily against Jake Holmes that he only now chose to dispute this? It's not like he only just found out.
     
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    Perhaps getting through all the legal rigamarole, now allowed this to go through..
    This is still news to me. Never knew about this cut. Amazing and yeah I definitely see the roots of the bass line and cadence in Jake's cut.
     
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    Every rock band since the early 70's stole from Zeppelin. I say call it a wash.
     
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    QFT.
     
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    i think jake finally realized he wasnt going to make it big so nearing retirement he wants to make some money...geez if i wrote a tune and page took it and made it a huge hit id be ecstatic about it
     
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    are they both IDENTICAL? similar lyrics and exact same notes?

    i'm always curious about these things.... just from the fact that music does have some "rules" or basic guidlines iff you will, you can vary from them, but DAMN,, think if bluegrass players started suing each other for similar bass line runs and notes??? hell ALOT of bluegrass songs have the SAME bassline runs and notes....

    I thing a song has to be damn near note for note word for word for people to be able to make these claims...

    alot of times a writer sues another writer only for people to point out an even OLDER song that is very similar to BOTH of the later versions......

    kind of like satriani trying to sue coldplay (I think that's who it was) for "similar chord order".... apparently satch feels he INVENTED those chords... yet a huge amount of people pointed to even OLDER versions of songs that were like Satch's....
     
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    the yardbirds and very early zep is closer to the original lyrics wise...the dazed recorded on their first album is different lyrically
     
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    Thinking about the average person on the bench, 40 years out.

    When they hear the above piece, the LZ boys are dead ducks.

    You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see the relationship. They're just the perfect age to respond.

    40 years ago the average judge would've covered his ears, if he could.
     
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    Anyone ever know what happened with Coldplay's law suit for plagerizing Joe Satch's "If I could fly"? What about Tom Petty having "Mary Jane's last dance" taken by the Chili Peppers and used in "Dani California"?

    Edit: Just saw this..

    kind of like satriani trying to sue coldplay (I think that's who it was) for "similar chord order".... apparently satch feels he INVENTED those chords... yet a huge amount of people pointed to even OLDER versions of songs that were like Satch's....

    Have you heard both songs?? The coldplay song takes the EXACT chord progression and is almost spot on for the melody. It's embaressing almost and after that took their credibility as musicians away from them in my opinion.
     
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    These discussions always go back to George Harrison's "My Sweet Lord" fiasco; though it was found to be unintentional, the combination of similar chord pattern AND similar melodic arc was found to be sufficient to constitute plagiarism. It's difficult to imagine even the most tone-deaf court being unable to draw a similar comparison here.
     
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    See Fantasy Records vs John Fogarty in reference to "self plagiarism"
     
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    Wouldn't it be ironic if Page was the session guitarist during the original recording of Holmes' Dazed and Confused?
     
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    I'm pretty sure I read an interview with TP where he said he decided to let it slide.
     
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    That's my understanding, too.
     
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    Except that, as you said, there were earlier versions of it. And truthfully, it was such a simple melody, it could've easily been written without Coldplay ever even hearing Satch's track. The chord structures of the two songs actually were slightly different, albeit complimentary to each other. I mean, you're talking about a really simple riff that only lasts a few seconds out of the entire song. Even if they did take it from Satch's song, come on, man. Some of the greatest composers and musicians of all time have been inspired by other people. There isn't a chord progression that hasn't been done yet. A whole song note for note? Maybe there's something to talk about. A 10 second riff that doesn't even match perfectly? Satch has to get over himself.
     
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    Now I'm a huge Zeppelin fan but this similarity cannot possibly be mere coincidence. However, Randy California himself apparently noted the similarity - recognized it - and basically gave Zep his blessing ("If they want to use it for their song, that's okay...").

    Blues (or Folk music in general) borrows and builds. There's a long tradition there.
     
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