Dawn raids at Fender

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  1. Geoff738

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    Not much info to go on here folks.

    Cheers,
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    You're not describing price fixing, that's market research.

    Price fixing is when manufacturers band together to circumvent the free market and agree to a higher price for their goods than the market would normally dictate. In other words, if guitar manufacturers all got together and agreed to charge $400 for their entry level Squier/Epiphone guitars instead of $200, that's price fixing. Normally, some company would realize they could profitably sell those guitars at $200 and other manufacturers would soon drop their prices to stay competitive. But if they all agree to artificially inflate prices, that's price fixing.

    Not sure what you're referring to- nothing even remotely resembling this is described in any news story on this subject.
     
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    Fender, Gibson, Martin, and Taylor all have minimum yearly buy-in requirements that hurt small independent dealers and favor the big guys. Gibson goes so far as not allowing small dealers to advertise Gibson online or even list current in stock guitars, but the big boys are exempt from such restrictions. They also require dealers to carry a minimum number of instruments from all lines, even those that don't sell well in their individual market. I remember reading a couple of years ago that GC owed Fender $11M. If a small brick and mortar dealer owed just a small fraction of that, they'd be cut off. But, the big guys get away with it 'cause they're Fender and Gibson's cash cows, accounting for the vast majority of their sales.
     
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    Just to drive the point home, the thinking is, if only I charge a high price, I'll lose business to cheaper competition. If we ALL charge a high price, the consumer has nowhere to run. The choice becomes buy high or don't buy, and they're betting enough people will choose to buy high.
     
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    England is not an island - it's attached to Wales & Scotland.
     
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    All sitting on a big island. Which Yamaha will buy.
     
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    A stupid newspaper report that won't even raise an eyebrow, as it contains no details, no facts and not even much speculation. A half hearted attempt to whip up a storm on an otherwise slow Bank Holiday weekend.

    We now return you to your scheduled programmes.

    All that lot are attached to Yorkshire, otherwise, they would just float away like balloons...
     
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    There's no way in a million years any company would have a price fixing document with another company in their possession. It's totally and utterly impossible.

    The investigation may hope to look at email, but that's ridiculous. If you price fix you do it in person with a hand shake.
     
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    Oh look, another anti-UK poke from an American. How tiresome. :rolleyes:
     
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    You would be amazed at the incriminating stuff people put in emails. Probably because they don't understand that hitting "delete" doesn't get rid of it forever.
     
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    That wasn’t an anti-UK poke. It was a simple joke. I’m pretty sure Yamaha isn’t going to buy your island.
     
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    Still not getting the problem here.
    ( I mean I do, but,...I don't)
    I should think it business as usual or status quo.
    Hep a brother out.
     
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    Also known as chastity belt:p
     
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    A JOKE! Are you kidding me!!!??? Based on your insider tip I just purchased 100K of TKO 7951!!!

    Woe is me...woe is me...

    How can you "joke" about things as earth shaking as Yamaha buying all of the UK and whatever is attached?
     
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    True, and a good point to everyone out there regarding email.

    In this instance however, and in any instance regarding price fixing, I can't imagine anyone in business being so unaware to discuss price fixing in an email.

    Obviously this investigation is looking at emails.
     
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    Price fixing = collusion, as per the legal/dictionary definition of collusion, rather than the wild misuse of that word that we are inundated with daily these days.
     
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    B-but I thought collusion wasn't illegal.
     
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    Bottom line here folks...

    We are all still going to buy guitars/gear from these manufacturers. Even Gibson! I know right?!

    Who woulda thought some hunks of wood and some scraps of steel and a few magnets would cause such a stir!
     
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    Yeah, but if I clear my browser history it's all gone, right? God, I hope so.
     
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