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Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by BoogerRooger, May 27, 2018.
The ring eader of this vast conspiracy is revealed!'
I wonder if they found any illegally imported wood while they were there.
Since it seems to be based on a complaint from Germany, I wonder if it's Thomann. They seem to undercut USA prices at times on Gibson, They may have been prevented from doing so on Fender and Yamaha.
BTW a 10% fine of global turnover could be pretty scary for someone Like Yamaha.
How ironic would it be if the complaint was from Behringer, which I wouldn't be surprised if it was.
I guarantee you Fender won't incour the hatred that Gibson did when they were unfairly raided.
I honestly could not understand what any of that meant.
Gibson wasn't unfairly raided they broke the law and settled with the government by paying fines.
No they didn't break the law. They decided to settle because it was cheaper than fighting it.
Gibson obtained documents from the Madagascar government certifying their wood was legal.
Exactly everything Gibson doesn't is wrong according to the majority opinion on guitar forums, and Fender walks on water.
How did this become about Gibson? They're not mentioned in the OP's link.
Who is Dawn?
Our friends over the pond might be intrigued to know that there is only one Competition and Markets Authority (CMA). Seems hardly fair to me.
The hand of David Gilmour be in this....
It would be too complicated to explain and then it usually devolves into a political discussion. Use your search engine of choice with Gibson Lacey Act and you will find multitudes of information.
Odd then that they stopped buying wood from Madagascar after the raid. And that Internal Gibson emails, as quoted by the US Attorney's office appear to indicate that Gibson knew that it was buying illegal woods.
Yeah, I know all about that. But I repeat, what has that to do with a report about Fender, Yamaha, Roland, Casio and Korg allegedly price fixing in the UK?
The government of Madagascar is completely under the control of the timber industry- it's no surprise that an American company that does business there could miraculously come up with exculpatory documents after being busted by the feds. However, this isn't even relevant because internal emails from Gibson obtained in the raids show that Gibson was well aware that the wood it was importing couldn't be properly documented and was therefore considered "grey market"- AKA, illegal. It was also shown that Gibson lied about the condition of the wood it was importing and tried to hide the source. They conspired to break the law and got caught, plain and simple. Looks like Henry's just as bad at being a criminal as he is at being a CEO.
There's nothing "political" about any of this, Henry J's hilariously pathetic attempts to make it seem like a political hit job notwithstanding.
Oh, I give up.
Illegal wood.. That's a good one.
I guess MAP isn't allowed in the UK? I wonder about Mesa Boogie, 'cause in the US, if a MB dealer discounts an amp they lose their MB franchise.
In the 70's, the US Gov't sued, and won, a lawsuit against some audio companies (Klipsch and Macintosh, among others, I believe) for setting and enforcing strict retail pricing restrictions on their dealers, at a time when discounting at big chains like Pacific Stereo was common practice. The Gov't. claimed these price fixing practices went against anti-trust laws, and the judge agreed.