Customs seizes 85 guitars: all fakes. @ Dulles Intl Airport

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  1. Torren61

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    “More importantly, counterfeit goods pose a serious health and safety risk to American consumers.”

    LOL
     
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    Isn't a fake Slash signature Les Paul the most authentic Slash signature Les Paul?
     
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    Nice try, Big Brother.
    Chibson is gonna be pissed!
     
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    Have you ever been poked in the eye by a broken string? :eek:

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    I don't see any Telecasters there?
    they all look really nice from a distance
     
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    Yeah, they're all good "10 footers". They do counterfeit Telecasters, though not as much. The Merle Haggard "Tuff Dog" Telecaster is the one I've seen most.
     
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    Yeah, this too from the WP article:

    "The international trade in counterfeit and pirated goods threatens the competitiveness of American businesses"

    I'm sure that's a boilerplate statement from the Customs people, who can't be expected to care or have much awareness about the US electric guitar market in particular.

    I'm not anti-capitalist, anti-Gibson or Fender, in favor of counterfeits or anything else, but man... some of the reason these counterfeits exist at all, and that they are imported to the US, is Gibson's failure to compete.
     
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    I’m interested in what/who are at the ‘addresses in 31 states’ they were destined for.
     
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    points to make here:

    "Chibson" already got paid, so they will make more, count on it.

    the way to help stop this is to post the names of the shops that ordered these monstrosities

    edit: posting the same time as Guitartech. put out the word, they don't get any of my money, ever
     
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    could be a bunch from here... :)
     
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    I hate fakes. I pity the fool who shelled out hard earned cash for this junk.
     
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    I wonder what happens with these 85 fakes now that they've been seized?

    I don't like thinking about that! It's kind of a scruples issue in my mind (which is already crowded with issues) Like, Gibson one time crushed a batch of good guitars for some lawyer-ly reason of liability or something.

    I guess a Customs agent isn't supposed to divert one to the side for their daughter or nephew? Probably'd get fired.

    On the other hand...

    ...don't these 85 guitars qualify for John Hiatt's "Perfectly Good Guitar" category? Couldn't the Made in USA and the brand names be removed, and then the guitars donated to 3rd-world musicians? assuming that business competition issues rule out some kind of USA domestic donations.

    btw idk why the newspaper link (1st link in post #1) works for some people but not others.

    edit 2 add: Maybe smuggle the fakes BACK to the city they were crafted in - and give them away for free - in order to undercut the counterfeiters heh heh. More supply, lower prices there.
     
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    I dunno, maybe. But even if Gibson slashed their prices, the pac rim copies would still be churned out.

    I think its just an easy way to make a buck. CNC makes it possible to make very good fakes. Gibsons accidently made themselves a target with their high prices.
     
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    Shouldn't the Bill of Lading, etc., lead back to the manufacturers? Or don't we pursue counterfeiters in other countries? Starting to give China a bad name...
     
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    Yeah, I think that's fair enough. I don't have any ill will, although I suppose I refuse to get emotionally attached to Gibson (or Fender) brands at this point either. They're maintaining some tradition that's definitely worth something, but ultimately it's private equity.

    Maybe more correct of me to say that the argument bugs me, because, in my view only:
    • Gibson and everyone else here are and have been competing in a global market, regardless who may insist otherwise. How many shipments haven't been seized?
    • Gibson doesn't, or can't, compete in the $~300 market segment. It's difficult to imagine their legit sales have been cannibalized at all. It's easier to imagine that confusion has been introduced in the used market.
    • Who said you didn't have to compete? If anybody's really beating you at a much lower price point, adapt and differentiate.
     
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    Well, I guess my new music store opening is going to be delayed. It's gotten to the point a guy can't make an honest living selling fakes anymore.
     
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