CS brass saddles

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  1. vishnu

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    Waiting on a CS 52 Tele and I have a question that I am sorry if it has been done to death :)

    The bridge has the Gatton compensated saddles on and I think the guitar looks out of whack with the supposed retro look and modern saddles......

    What was the original 52 saddles like.....smooth with no string groove?

    and which do you guys prefer....the smooth saddle or the twin groove per barrel number?

    thanks guys :)


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  2. h4ck.b0x7

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    The original was smooth with no grooves.

    My favorite BY FAR are the offerings from Marc Rutters.
     
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    linky?
     
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    Not sure what you mean by the Gattons as modern saddles. They are like the originals but offset for some compensation. Some of the old guys used to bend their originals a bit to get a similar effect. But feel free to use what ever saddles you prefer. After all it's your guitar.

    Here's Gattons on my 52 CS Tele and 51 Esquire. IMG_1680.JPG IMG_1850.JPG
     
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    I never knew these were called "Gatton" saddles - smooth brass and drilled at an angle. I bought mine, advertised as Fender Compensated Brass Telecaster Saddles, on the Darren Riley site for $19.95. They replaced the original steel saddles (non-compensated) on my 50s Road Worn Telecaster. Anyway, I like the look fine, they sound great and they do a good job of keeping the intonation very close if not perfect, much better than the original non-compensated saddles. With Telecasters you've got to ask yourself at some point, what's more important - vintage correct or being in tune? I'll take the latter.
     
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    I agree as you can see above. But for the absolute traditionalists here is some advice by a "Tele Master". I think I got this from this site some time ago but my thanks to the original source where ever it was.

    "SADDLE UP YOUR TELECASTER
    We asked "Bendmaster of the Telecaster" Jerry Donahue to share some of his secrets for setting up a Telecaster® bridge and keeping it properly intonated (Jerry demonstrates this technique in his clinics).
    Attention all current and would-be Tele® slingers! You needn't resort to six individual bridge saddles to improve your intonation. The original Broadcaster design called for three brass saddles: and that's still the best design today. The larger saddles mean more mass, providing greater output, sustain and tone. Also, with two strings per saddle, you have twice the string pressure against the body! [Editor's note: The Fender® Custom Shop Jerry Donahue model and "JD" Tele® use the three vintage brass saddles].
    Now, on to intonation: Until fairly recently, I felt that a guitar couldn't really play in tune unless each string's 12th fret harmonic and 12th fret note had the exact same reading on the electric tuner. And of course, they never do on a three-saddle bridge. I finally settled on a technique that not only deals with this problem but, to my delight, addresses other inherent problems also. Here it is: Adjust the middle saddle's intonation screw so that the "D" string's 12th fret note reads slightly flat of the 12th fret harmonic on your tuner. Then, check out the "G" string's 12th fretted note. This note should be only MARGINALLY sharp of the harmonic. Are you with me? Now tune your guitar, with the open "G" string reading somewhere between A440 and A439 (so that the 12th FRETTED note is at A440). Tune the other strings as one would normally. Final adjusments can be made by ear when you compare first position E major and E minor chords. The E major's G# note (third string, 1st fret) should no longer seem sharp in the chord; and the open "G" string should still be perceptively in tune within the E minor chord.
    Here's another for instance: An "A" chord barred at the fifth fret sounds fine. But when the nearest "E" is played (5th string, 7th fret/ 4th string, 6th fret/ 3rd string, 4th fret/ 2nd string, 5th fret), it typically sounds "off." The major third is the culprit (4th string, 6th fret): it typically sounds sharp. But with my adjustment (the 4th string's 12th fretted note being slightly flat) the problem no longer exists. There is a small margin of error here, which actually works to the guitarist's advantage!
    OCCASIONALLY, depending on the guage of your strings and the force of your picking hand, it might also serve you to marginally flatten the low E string. I do this as I use a 42 and like to hit it fairly hard sometimes. Trust your own ears, though, as each instrument tends to be different, too.
    A final qualification in adopting all the aforementioned technique: A piano tuner may use an electronic tuner as a point of reference. But if he tuned the entire keyboard to be "perfect", it would sound awful. The bottom keys actually must be tuned sharp and the high ones tuned flat. This is the only way the human brain will perceive the piano to be in tune. It's essentially the same concept I've applied here to the Telecaster®. I really like this method. Once I adopted it, my Tele's® sounded noticeably more in tune than my Strats® (across all of the chord shapes) ... so I've since made the same adjus™ents to the Strats®!!
    Remember, life is about compromise. Check it out!" - Jerry Donahue"
     
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    I really like the compensated notched brass saddles on my '12-'17 run AVRI '52. Brassy goodness w perfect intonation. Steel is standard on the custom shop ? After paying $5,000 or whatever you paid, I d just email Fender and see if they ll send some gratis.
     
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    These are a work of art. That said, I used the $12 (or maybe $15 today) Wilkinson compensated (staggered) brass saddles for two years on my American Special and they intonated and played absolutely fine (with d'Ad EXL110 strings, which I use exclusively).
     
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    you will need to zoom in a little but this is the bridge I am talking about on a CS 52








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  13. vishnu

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    this is part of the spec sheet for the same guitar

    Hardware
    STANDARD OR CUSTOM BRIDGE
    STANDARD BRIDGE ASSEMBLY

    BRIDGE ASSEMBLY
    NOCASTER W/O P/U GATTON

    PICKUP BRIDGE POSITION
    H/W 51 NOCASTER BRG NOS

    OUTPUT ASSEMBLIES
    VINT TELE

    CONTROL ASSEMBLY
    PRESENT DAY TELE
     
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    Agreed these are great on my 50s Baja. The previous owner installed them. They look, feel and sound great. I'd use them again.
     
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    Is this the same sort of thing here?

    https://www.axesrus.co.uk/AngledTeleSad-p/b-s3-6-ts-ang-set.htm
     
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    Yes, and I've been very happy with them.

    However, from your picture it looks like the '52 uses the Wilkinson type saddles. They use a different method of compensation. Instead of the saddle hole being drilled at an angle to achieve the compensation, the Wilkinson has the standard holes (drilled perpendicular) and the surface of the saddle is "stair-stepped" to achieve the compensation. I have not used them but many people like them.
     
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  18. vishnu

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    does anyone recognise the saddles in post 12 pic? ( you will need to enlarge pic)

    and this from the spec sheet ( post 13) does that make any sense to someone?

    I am just trying to understand the spec sheet for this particular guitar that I am buying and trying to work out if the guy has popped after market saddles in there

    Hardware
    STANDARD OR CUSTOM BRIDGE
    STANDARD BRIDGE ASSEMBLY

    BRIDGE ASSEMBLY
    NOCASTER W/O P/U GATTON
     
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    He's looking to keep it as "vintage" looking as possible. You can't get any better than the Rutters. Considering it is a Custom Shop tele I'd venture to guess that $50 isn't going to break the bank.
     
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    misunderstanding all sorted guys thanks :)
     
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