Cops pulled over my kid today after work, she makes me proud

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  1. AndyPanda

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    I was driving thru Idaho on my way to Montana (California plates and I have long hair) and an Idaho cop came out of the center divide onto the freeway after I went past (I was doing exactly the speed limit). He pulled up along side of me for a few seconds and then dropped behind me and pulled me over. He said my eyes were red and he thinks I've been smoking pot. I told him I don't smoke pot (I don't). So he asked what prescription drugs I am on. I told him he had just pulled over the most anti-drug person he was ever going to meet - I drink carrot/celery juice and the closest thing to drugs I use is vitamin C. He held me there for over 30 minutes and asked me over and over when was the last time you smoked pot? (I told him 1968).

    I've done some Google searches on this and learned that they take a training course on recognizing drug use just by looking at you and they can arrest you for driving stoned going by nothing but how you look to them "because of their special training" (and because there is no test they can give at this point).

    I didn't argue at all with the guy, stayed polite. I even requested a test "please give me a blood or urine test and you will find that I have no drugs of any type in my system". He finally let me go on my way but never apologized.
     
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  3. telemnemonics

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    Yeah we have a huge mess right now and it's getting worse.

    Can anyone explain though, how "us" being rude to all cops because it's "our right", will help the situation in areas where shootings are commonplace?
    If I grew up in crime and looked like the statistically most likely to be those committing the crimes on my block, I might be pretty angry about being targeted as a likely suspect all the time.

    But here it seems like most of us are not in that group or in those neighborhoods, yet many of us advocate being rude to cops and increasing their generally aggravated and scared state of mind.

    In a sense we stand at a safe distance and lob rocks into the hornets nest that we don't have to live inside of.
    How are we helping?

    Similarly we have gotten messages from starving nations that rich nations holding hunger vigils is not helping them get food.
     
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    Total tangent here but there are numerous studies which actually show that holding a cell phone is not what causes distracted driving (the actual culprit is divided attention) the real problem is actually the act of talking. Talking divides the drivers attention, and increases their reaction times and makes the act of driving more dangerous. The various legislatures who want to be seen as "doing something" to solve the "problem" have brushed that little factoid under the carpet. To really get on top of the problem the legislature would have to outlaw talking in the car totally and that would include talking hands free or even talking to another person in the car. Talking to someone else whether on the phone or in person causes divided attention. It doesn't matter whether your phone is in your hand or not.
     
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    Yet talking to a passenger is just fine and not that distracting. I think its because when you're talking to a passenger, you are comfortable pausing during driving situations because the passenger is experiencing the same situational awareness.
     
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    When friends find out about my work background, I get questions about the issues being discussed here, and my response is generally this:

    Cops are human beings just like you and me. They have the same strengths and the same weaknesses. Some are noble, some are cowards, some are fair minded, some are racists or bigots. I try to treat them just like I treat anyone that I meet for the first time, with kindness and respect. If they give me a reason to treat them different, then so be it, but I don't react to them with discrimination because they definitely are not all the same.

    I agree with you that treating anyone poorly because of what they do is the wrong approach. Generally, you "catch a lot more flies with honey than you do with vinegar".
     
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    That sucks, I would suggest the officer involved was not a very intelligent person.
    My old Mother had a similar experience when she had a UTI and crashed into a building.
    EMT's found nothing wrong so a drug expert officer was brought in.
    Being an old lady with a UTI she couldn't pee in the cup.
    When I found out and went in to get her, explaining that she was sick, the specialist officer refused to release her unti she gave that urine sample.
    I spoke with the drug expert and assured him that she was not on drugs and that she may be dehydrated, but he insisted that she must be on a docs scrip that made her crash.
    Cops don't use needles AFAIK, so to get a blood test I assume the suspect would need to go to the hospital?
    I'm not sure I want officers carrying needles and sticking suspects!

    Anyhow, I had no reason the think being rude to the dummy would help get her out of custody any faster!
     
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    It's been a while since I read the studies I spoke about. I'll see if I can dig them up again. My memory tells me that there were some studies which suggested that talking to someone in the car is actually more distracting than talking on the phone because the driver frequently looks at the other person in the car during the conversation which takes the driver's eyes off the road.
     
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    There are states where the Troopers actually can pull you out of the car and jam a needle into your arm on the roof of the car and take your blood. Arizona is one such state that I'm aware of, though I am not certain whether a warrant is required. Regardless, the trooper is authorized to actually take the blood, no nurse, EMT, or phlebotomist required.
     
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    Yes sir. That is an Idaho cop for you.
     
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    Too do many knuckle heads do text and drive!
     
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    how I would have handled it:
    Why am I being stopped?
    No you may not see my cell phone.
    No you may not search my vehicle.
    Am I being detained or am I free to go?
     
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