Concert promotions and old timer bands.....

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Mad Kiwi, Jun 16, 2019.

  1. Mad Kiwi

    Mad Kiwi Friend of Leo's

    Posts:
    2,352
    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2009
    Location:
    Land of the Long White Cloud
    In the context of guitar based music, I was thinking this morning that a lot of the large live concerts are based on old 60's and 70's bands or at least pre music industry crash, bands. (internet/pirating and so on)

    I could be quite wrong but on initial thought wonder if there are enough popular, mainstream artists being setup / promoted or whatever to replace these bands as they fade from life / suitable age.

    I wonder if as these bands retire the music industry will be forced to work with younger acts as they did in the 60's and 70's, promoting and trying to build them in to international artists in the manner (or a version of) the old model. From manufacturing groups (Monkeys etc) to fostering talent and marketing it up to the levels of true international artists as in those old times.

    I believe the artists are there but the budget, marketing, power of the recording industry etc. just isn't like it used too be.

    IF.... that is true, I wonder if it brings back or reinvigorates the music companies a little more...They did a lot of damage to artists via terrible contracts etc. BUT they did foster a healthy supply of mainstream / international music that seems to be missing these days.

    Interested to hear other thoughts.
     
    GuitarKid likes this.
  2. Frodebro

    Frodebro Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Age:
    49
    Posts:
    14,212
    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2012
    Location:
    Seattle
    Guitar plays a much smaller role in music than it did in our eras, these days the rappers are the rock stars.
     
  3. Mad Kiwi

    Mad Kiwi Friend of Leo's

    Posts:
    2,352
    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2009
    Location:
    Land of the Long White Cloud
    I sure get that BUT my thought was there is still a huge market for large scale guitar based concerts that generate a LOT Of revenue.

    As these bands fade surely some music exec will see the vacated (even now diminishing size) hole.

    Who are the big guitar based bands that tour internationally these days...

    P.S this is from the perspective of someone who lives a LONG way away from the USA, we generally only get to see the big International bands. So I have noticed quite a drop off int he past few years...

    When you can tour the world and fill stadiums, that is a big revenue generator and subsequent loss to some executive somewhere.....

    Some of these have already departed and the rest are getting on...where are the big acts coming through to take the place?

    David Bowie
    Rolling Stones
    RCHP
    Pearl Jam
    AC/DC
    ZZ Top
    Prince
     
    GuitarKid likes this.
  4. schmee

    schmee Poster Extraordinaire

    Posts:
    6,437
    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2003
    Location:
    northwest
    There are a lot of younger groups getting their share of the summer concerts here in the PNW. many are more "alternative" than common rock or blues though. It's kind of refreshing, at least some of them are....
     
  5. brookdalebill

    brookdalebill Tele Axpert Ad Free Member

    Age:
    62
    Posts:
    60,855
    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2009
    Location:
    Austin, Tx
    I believe our (us guitar operators) run is over.
    It was great fun!
    Nothing lasts forever.
    I’m still hoping for a fresh, brilliant, (young) guitar hero.
    I’ve been hoping for awhile.
     
    Keefsdad and thegeezer like this.
  6. dan1952

    dan1952 Friend of Leo's

    Age:
    66
    Posts:
    4,160
    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2004
    Location:
    Anderson, IN
    The record business is largely gone, so the record companies have little financial stake in promoting newer artists. Artists, whether new or old, make almost all of their money from live performances and merch sales.
    That said, the expense of international travel, or even large scale country wide tours, is prohibitive without record company support.
     
    GibbyTwin, Steven72 and Frodebro like this.
  7. boop

    boop Tele-Meister

    Posts:
    300
    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2018
    Location:
    Massachusetts
    those bands you mention were heavy promoted products of the music industry, had heavy radio rotation when they came out and made boatloads of cash. These days, the industry machine is much diminished. So there are lots of cool rock and alt rock bands, probably more than ever before, but they aren't getting promoted by industry., they are connecting with a much smaller audience. The money is gone, and tastes have changed. The people who fill stadiums are on top hits radio, as the groups you mentioned were/are
     
  8. Orpingtons

    Orpingtons Tele-Meister

    Posts:
    167
    Joined:
    May 17, 2019
    Location:
    U.S.
    They mostly play the casinos these days. Not so bad if you ask me, can catch a good band for a discounted price and hit the casino buffet while at it! :lol:
     
    suthol, GuitarKid and Mad Kiwi like this.
  9. Frodebro

    Frodebro Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Age:
    49
    Posts:
    14,212
    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2012
    Location:
    Seattle
    Yep, and if they’re savvy enough about it there is very few crumbs left beyond the concert promoters. Gone are the days of the record industry moguls sitting on their butts and raking in the cash. This is also partially why ticket prices have increased. Without recording royalties, live performance is the primary revenue source.
     
    GibbyTwin and dan1952 like this.
  10. duzie

    duzie Tele-Meister

    Age:
    58
    Posts:
    255
    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2017
    Location:
    Nw New Jersey
    A guitar player taking the world by storm isn’t really a reality anymore I think .
    The stock has been watered down with thousands of spectacular guitarists all over YouTube minimizing the art of guitar.
     
    GuitarKid, brookdalebill and dan1952 like this.
  11. slauson slim

    slauson slim Friend of Leo's

    Posts:
    3,965
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2003
    Location:
    By The Levee
    "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein." Dick Rowe, Decca Records, turning down The Beatles.
     
  12. Mad Kiwi

    Mad Kiwi Friend of Leo's

    Posts:
    2,352
    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2009
    Location:
    Land of the Long White Cloud
    All good points but given there is still an audience fro this type of music (these stadium shows sell out constantly) I would think someone somewhere must be planning something....

    Fleetwood Mac has sold out here inc newly created follow up shows.A couple of other older artists just recently the same (Queen, Kiss, U2).

    That is a lot of revenue.

    Will it take a period of no bands touring before the public DO gain traction on an artist/band to start the whole process over again perhaps....

    Perhaps that down time is part of the whole restructure / healing process the industry needs to rebuild itself to be an effective, sharp industry again?

    Very rarely does an established earnings market go to waste these days....
     
  13. dan1952

    dan1952 Friend of Leo's

    Age:
    66
    Posts:
    4,160
    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2004
    Location:
    Anderson, IN
    Don't tell Joe Bonamassa!
     
    verb boten and duzie like this.
  14. kelnet

    kelnet Telefied Ad Free Member

    Posts:
    25,993
    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2008
    Location:
    Port Moody, BC
    The biggest tour of 2018 was Ed Sheeran. One guy and one guitar.



    After Sheeran, it was Taylor Swift, Jay Z and Beyonce, Pink, Bruno Mars, The Eagles, and Justin Timberlake. The other top tours were Roger Waters, U2, and The Stones.

    The top 5 are all established acts with massive followings. They're definitely not oldies. And they make millions on tour. There will always be big acts replacing the older acts.
     
  15. boop

    boop Tele-Meister

    Posts:
    300
    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2018
    Location:
    Massachusetts
    There is an audience for artists and songs people love. I think people love the music they heard again and again when they were young.
     
  16. Mad Kiwi

    Mad Kiwi Friend of Leo's

    Posts:
    2,352
    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2009
    Location:
    Land of the Long White Cloud
    Maybe i'm just getting old and didn't realise my parents went through he same thing...just stopped caring about going to concerts as nothing they liked came through....

    ...but thinking on that, that isn't true eithr as they still have Fleetwood Mac, The Eagles etc (just)...so this is a new thing.
     
  17. MattyK-USA

    MattyK-USA Tele-Afflicted Silver Supporter

    Age:
    57
    Posts:
    1,096
    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2018
    Location:
    Savannah GA
    Bonamassa
    Eric Gales
    Josh Smith
    Kenny Wayne Shepherd
    Tom Morello
    Paul Gilbert
    John Petrucci

    The list goes on, and on, and on. Most of them tour Europe and Asia to sold out crowds.
     
  18. Greg_L

    Greg_L Tele-Holic

    Posts:
    969
    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2018
    Location:
    Texas
    The "guitar hero" is not dead. He just isn't wearing spandex anymore.

    And if you look for it, young rock bands are everywhere. EVERYWHERE! As soon as the old crusty retirement aged acts finally die off, there can be a new wave of new bands, and kids are ready for it.

    While we're at it, the local live scenes need to change. Bands needs to DIY their asses off and take the power back from bar managers and sleazy pinky ring wearing "promoters". It's despicable what local original-material bands are put through just to get a gig sometimes.

    And for crying out loud.....stop f**king paying to play!!!!!!
     
    GuitarKid likes this.
  19. kelnet

    kelnet Telefied Ad Free Member

    Posts:
    25,993
    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2008
    Location:
    Port Moody, BC
    But but but... I'm an old guy who wants to get some validation from an audience, and no-one will pay my dad-band to play, so I gotta convince bar owners to let me take the stage. :D
     
  20. Rumblur

    Rumblur TDPRI Member

    Age:
    51
    Posts:
    95
    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2011
    Location:
    Upstate, SC
    Music has been in sad decline since 1993. There will never be "great" music again because society has changed to the point where it's just not the medium in which people express themselves or take the time to create. Sure, there will be a "hit" here and there if you want to call it that, but there will never again be a Ventures, Buck Owens, ZZ Top or Allman Brothers.
     
    GuitarKid likes this.
IMPORTANT: Treat everyone here with respect, no matter how difficult!
No sex, drug, political, religion or hate discussion permitted here.


  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.