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Comparing a Vintage Deluxe Reverb to Amplitube's Plugin

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  1. Cody_J

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    I thought I'd make a quick video comparing my 1964 Deluxe Reverb to Amplitube's "Deluxe Reverb" simulation from their first Fender Signature Series plugin bundle.

    I honestly was not sure what to think until I actually started editing together the video, but I have to say I was surprised at the differences once I had the two clips side-by-side.

    I always like hearing other people's opinions on comparison videos, so let me know!

     
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    Right off the bat, the first thing I would say is that there are far too many variables to make a comparison. You could move that microphone 1/2" and have a huge difference in tone. You could adjust whatever cab simulation is on the plugin, and get a huge difference in tone.

    What I've noticing in the comparison, is that the amps' tones themselves are very close, the difference is that the actual amplifier has noticeably more high-end. I suppose speaker type can make a difference also. I don't know what speaker type is emulated in the plugin.
     
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    Interesting experiment for sure. If you sample the sound of an amp with a mic instead of listening to the actual amp in the same room, you will always capture just a little bit of the magic that an amp may have. Same with acoustic instruments. And in contrast, if you only care for the recorded sound, a good simulation may actually sound a lot better than micing the real thing. As a player I would always prefer having the real thing.
     
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    You're 100% correct that there are a ton of variables that cannot be controlled for without a massive budget (and even then some might be out of reach). I get these kinds of comments every time I make a comparison video, and I agree with them every time.

    That said, I also like to mention that I think there's still merit to understanding the similarities and differences that someone can expect from a more generalized, home recording scenario.

    I also agree with your assessment that the amp seemed to have more high end!
     
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    Agreed. I definitely think simulators and profilers have a place in modern recording. I really actually enjoy using Amplitube's Fender series for quick projects. I can get some more than passable sounds out of the plugin with way less work.

    I actually think that I could have gotten the two things (the amp and the plugin) closer in sound for this video if I had used different mics and adjusted the settings on the two, but I chose to use the exact mic in the *closest* spot on the grill cloth as the plugin was showing me. Not sure which would have been better in the end, but that's what I went with, haha!
     
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    Both usable in a mix.
     
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    I actually like the video a lot. I'm interested in things like this.
     
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    More than passable. I have actually opted for plugins on a couple of jobs recently with no regrets!
     
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    Thank you! Also, I was agreeing with you completely, just to be clear. It is always worth clarifying the shortcomings in YouTube comparison videos.
     
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    I appreciate when someone mics an amp properly, and doesn't use a phone camera mic... which people do all the time on YouTube, and it makes the amp sound like it's in a toilet!!!:D Seriously, I see people demoing a $1,500 tube amp and they're using their Android phone mic from 9 feet away....
     
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    That drives me crazy too! Or when someone uses their phone camera and records the amp in a reflective room, haha. I honestly think I could have gotten the two sounding closer if I had mic'd the amp the way I usually do, but AmpliTube made it clear that their plugin was using a simulated SM57 right against the grill cloth (and it even showed where the mic "was"), so I went with trying to get close to that.
     
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    The only way I can see to get around these variables would be if you have a load box and could play both through the same impulse response. But then you take away the miced cab, which some people say they will only record with.

    But I like seeing videos like this, playing the same thing, comparing differences in gear.
     
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    Thanks for doing that. In these clips, the '64 amp is fuller and sounds less "electric" to me than the plug-in does. The only way I know how to describe what I mean is by saying that the plug-in sounds like a typical plugged-in acoustic guitar sound. And as for the tonality -- at least in the first few clips -- I think the '64 sounds like a Deluxe Reverb, whereas the plug-in sounds more like a Vibrolux Reverb (clearer, less bass, less mids). But still kind of "plastic-y" sounding.
     
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    Thank you, and I agree with you that impulse responses would help eliminate some of the variables in a video like this. I am really tempted to pick up the new Two Notes load box that's on sale right now. Most of my amps have an 8ohm output option, so that would cover a lot of bases. Do you use any load boxes, and if so, preference?
     
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    That's interesting! I am not sure I would have heard it sounding like a Vibrolux, but after you mention that I could see it. Definitely cool, thanks!
     
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    I have just the regular two notes torpedo captor. I usually just run the unaffected signal into my helix where I pick up a third-party impulse response. I usually just use an Ownhammer with a 57 and 121 with a cabinet that matches the amp I’m using
     
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    I've heard of the Ownhammer stuff, but I haven't had the chance to mess with them. I assume you like it since that's the setup you use? I'd love to hear some samples if you have any!
     
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    Cool video, thanks for making it and sharing.

    In my opinion, just listening on a laptop speaker, the differences are stark. I think the amp sounds great, and the plugin sounds like an electric guitar plugged into an audio interface. The differences are especially notable when you start strumming.
     
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    I do think the strumming is one of the most notable sections when it comes to hearing differences. It's really interesting that you could hear that much of a difference with laptop speakers! Thanks for watching!
     
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    i found amplitube in my own experience to be kind of crappy. using their cab sims, i find it really hard to not get a boxy sound out of it. sure "it works in a mix," but what if you're playing solo? it doesn't cut it for me. i've had better experience with t21-type pedals and a mooer radar, and eq'ing/compressing/adding some reverb after the fact. i think when i have some extra money i might get the iridium. i already use the ownhammer IRs and it sounds the most natural for DR cleans to my ears.

    and nice playing. that's exactly what i want to hear in a comparison video.
     
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