chess cheating update Oct 2022

Midgetje94

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"If a thing is worth having, it is worth cheating for..."
W.C. Fields, in "My Little Chicadee"

Apparently Chess and Fishing tournaments aren't immune.
No crap. I’m a redneck with a mouth myself. But I did time in the Navy (I said what I said lol) that fishing weight video. I don’t think I’ve ever heard that much swearing in such a short time.
 

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Cheating is rampant in standard chess. I play at lichess. I like their website. Random and hoard chess are where it’s at. You know you’re not playing against someone who has memorized accurate moves from that position for the past 300 years.
 

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Chess Engine killed the whole thing. It may soldier on to some degree, but it is as badly messed up as pro boxing or pro cycling. My question is, how long will NCAA and NFL football persist? When the price of admission is too high, or what you get once you're in the door is a joke, all the fun is gone. Time is better spent walking in the woods, or casting for trout.
 

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The chess cheaters would do well in a pro fishing tournament.
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Electronic devices…I guess soon they’ll be beating on trash cans and taking steroids. Wait! What sport are talking about?
 

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When I lived in Vegas during the mid 60s, people who got caught cheating at the casinos were found in the water out at lake Mead. (Way down in the water)
 

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Someone asked about cheating in OTB tournaments. Years ago, I was playing a match and my opponent touched a piece that left him no choice but to move it and would have enabled me to make a decisive gain in material.

He never said "I adjust."

But, he then moved a different piece. I called him on it. He denied touching the Purcell. I called for the tournament director who came and says there were no witnesses and upheld my opponent's illegal game saving move.

BTW, I play online at lichess.org. it's a nice site with rated games of different types and I can't imagine anyone cheating here.
 

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Give 'em the beans!
In the report there's an interesting nugget: the chess.com software has a keylogger, so they could tell when a player alt-tabs to another screen. It turns out Niemann was frequently doing this precisely before he made his big, very-likely computer suggested moves. It's the single most damning piece of evidence against him.

But of course now that it's public knowledge, cheaters will use a second device. Not hard to just use your phone.
Or have a second monitor. It amuses me to think he (partly) got caught by not being a big enough nerd to have dual monitors.
 

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Chess Engine killed the whole thing.
Yeah, it kind of did at the pro level. By which I mean, they train so extensively with chess engines, that the modern style is "chess engine style." Of course, two ordinary bozos can still sit in the park and enjoy a game of chess, no one can take that away :cool:

Or have a second monitor.
Yes :lol:

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I called him on it. He denied touching the Purcell. I called for the tournament director who came and says there were no witnesses and upheld my opponent's illegal game saving move.
Nevertheless, you did the right thing.
Who knows, your call may have made him think twice the next time 👍

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Haven't played in years. I'd have little interest in playing electronically. Still have a Druke board, and a nice set of wooden pieces I've had for probably fifty years. Played many games with good, bad, and mediocre players. I once was consumed with it but got to where when I'd get zoned in to play, I couldn't come out of it, and would not sleep for several days after a serious match. Somewhere I have some clippings from the local paper where my son and I were featured playing in tournaments. I used to beat him pretty easily, last time we played though, he used my rear end for a drum. (Years ago)

2&1/4 squares and regulation sized pieces. Looks like this, mine doesn't have the algebraic notation it's just plain. My wife and I drove all the way from Bakersfield to Santa Monica to buy it.
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Yeah, it kind of did at the pro level. By which I mean, they train so extensively with chess engines, that the modern style is "chess engine style." Of course, two ordinary bozos can still sit in the park and enjoy a game of chess, no one can take that away :cool:


Yes :lol:

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I learned to play from a rated expert, but I learned coffee house chess from a bunch of black guys who played in a park in a rough part of town. I became acquainted with one of the regulars' grandfathers and we played many enjoyable games. Knowing Mr. H gave me a pass into (and out of) the park.

The guys at the park only played one way to attack from the start and try and put you away in the middle of the board. I would carefully write down the games which they thought was stupid. I had a plan though; my friend who was rated an expert who only lacked a few points becoming a master would help go over the games and find a way to turn the game into a conventional king and pawns ending.

Finally, after a couple of years, I could hold my own with any of them. At least then, chess theory would overcome offhand chess if you studied the game long enough. Nimzowitsch's "My System" was the best book I ever bought on chess. It teaches you to THINK chess, not just make moves. Those park/coffee house guys though, when they started throwing pieces in front of you were all about intimidation, I think you have to be there for that.
 

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Chess Engine killed the whole thing. It may soldier on to some degree, but it is as badly messed up as pro boxing or pro cycling. My question is, how long will NCAA and NFL football persist? When the price of admission is too high, or what you get once you're in the door is a joke, all the fun is gone. Time is better spent walking in the woods, or casting for trout.
NCAA died this year with the NIL money....it will only decline rapidly from here.
 




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