ChatGPT on Tube Amp Design

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So I decided to ask ChatGPT a couple of questions about amp design:

Me
Hey do you know much about designing tube amps for electric guitar?

ChatGPT
Yes, I can provide you with some information on designing tube amps for electric guitars.
Designing a tube amp for an electric guitar involves selecting the appropriate components, such as tubes, transformers, and capacitors, and then arranging them in a circuit to produce the desired tone and performance characteristics.
Some of the key considerations when designing a tube amp include the number and type of tubes, the voltage and current requirements of the circuit, the choice of output transformer, and the selection of capacitors and other passive components.
In addition to the technical aspects of tube amp design, there is also an element of artistic expression involved in creating an amp with a unique tonal signature that complements a particular guitar or playing style.
There are many resources available for those interested in learning more about designing tube amps, including online tutorials, books, and forums dedicated to the topic. It's important to have a solid understanding of electronics and circuit design principles before attempting to design and build a tube amp, as there are safety considerations and potential risks associated with working with high-voltage circuits.

Me
What's the effect of high or lower values in the filter capacitors?

ChatGPT
Filter capacitors play an important role in the operation of tube amplifiers by helping to smooth out the DC voltage and remove any unwanted ripple that may be present in the power supply. The values of the filter capacitors can have a significant effect on the performance and tone of the amplifier.
Higher values of filter capacitors can provide better filtering of the DC voltage, resulting in a more stable and reliable power supply. This can lead to a reduction in hum and noise in the amplifier, and can also result in a tighter and more controlled bass response. However, excessively high values of filter capacitors can lead to a slower response time and a loss of dynamics in the amplifier.
Lower values of filter capacitors can result in a faster response time and a more dynamic and responsive tone. This can be desirable in certain styles of music, such as blues or rock, where a more aggressive and expressive tone is desired. However, lower values of filter capacitors may also lead to increased hum and noise in the amplifier, as well as a less stable power supply.
Ultimately, the choice of filter capacitor values will depend on the desired tone and performance characteristics of the amplifier, as well as the specific components and circuit design used. It's important to experiment with different values of filter capacitors and to use high-quality components to achieve the desired results.

Me
What are the capacitors between the gain stages called?

ChatGPT
The capacitors between the gain stages in a tube amplifier are typically referred to as coupling capacitors or interstage capacitors. These capacitors serve an important role in the signal path of the amplifier by allowing the AC audio signal to pass from one gain stage to the next, while blocking any DC bias or offset voltage that may be present in the circuit.
Coupling capacitors are typically used to isolate the high DC voltage present in the plate of the preceding stage from the lower voltage AC signal that is being passed on to the next stage. This helps to maintain proper biasing of the tube and prevent any DC offset from being amplified along with the audio signal. Interstage capacitors are used between two stages of a multi-stage amplifier to provide similar isolation and signal transfer.
The values of coupling and interstage capacitors can have a significant effect on the tone and performance of the amplifier. Lower value capacitors can result in a more aggressive and dynamic tone, while higher value capacitors can result in a smoother and more refined tone. However, the choice of capacitor values will depend on the specific circuit design and desired tone, and experimentation with different values may be necessary to achieve the desired results.

Me
Can you design a circuit for a 5 watt single ended class B tube amp using less than 30 electrical components?

ChatGPT
Yes, it is possible to design a 5-watt single-ended Class B tube amplifier using less than 30 electrical components. Here is a basic circuit that includes the necessary components for a simple and effective 5-watt single-ended Class B amplifier:
  • Vacuum tube: 1x 6V6GT
  • Power transformer: 1x 120V primary, 260V secondary with center tap
  • Output transformer: 1x 5K primary impedance, 8 ohm secondary impedance
  • Rectifier diode: 1x 5Y3GT
  • Filter capacitors: 2x 16uf, 1x 10uf
  • Biasing resistor: 1x 100 ohm, 2 watts
  • Cathode resistor: 1x 470 ohm, 5 watts
  • Grid resistor: 1x 1M ohm, 1/2 watt
  • Plate resistor: 1x 5.6K ohm, 1/2 watt
  • Coupling capacitor: 1x 0.047uf, 400V
  • Input jack: 1x 1/4" mono jack
  • Output jack: 1x 1/4" mono jack
  • Volume potentiometer: 1x 250K audio taper pot
  • Tone control potentiometer: 1x 250K audio taper pot
  • Tone capacitor: 1x 0.022uf, 400V
  • Chassis ground: 1x ground lug
This circuit includes a 6V6GT vacuum tube as the active component, a power transformer with a 120V primary and 260V secondary with center tap, and a 5K primary impedance output transformer. The rectifier diode is a 5Y3GT, and there are three filter capacitors - two 16uf capacitors and one 10uf capacitor - to smooth the DC voltage from the power supply.
The biasing resistor is a 100 ohm, 2 watt resistor, and the cathode resistor is a 470 ohm, 5 watt resistor. The grid resistor is a 1M ohm, 1/2 watt resistor, and the plate resistor is a 5.6K ohm, 1/2 watt resistor. The coupling capacitor is a 0.047uf, 400V capacitor that connects the output of the first gain stage to the input of the power stage.
There are two input and output jacks, as well as a 250K audio taper potentiometer for volume control and a 250K audio taper potentiometer for tone control. The tone control capacitor is a 0.022uf, 400V capacitor.
Finally, a ground lug is included for chassis grounding.
With this circuit, you should be able to achieve a simple and effective 5-watt single-ended Class B tube amplifier with less than 30 electrical components.
 

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Me: “What safety precautions should I take?”
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Class B??? 6V6GT is an “active component”? 🤣 It can’t even plagiarize very well, and since it doesn’t really know anything, good luck getting any reliable responses…

The chat bot novelty has definitely worn off now…😝
 

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The thing is so interesting. To ME, an electronics nobody, this sounds EXACTLY like you guys when you talk about amps - as far as I know the answers might as well be 100% corrrect and useful. But I have had the same experience in my own field - it exels at producing b&*%&$*t good enough to fool someone who doesn't know better. The thing doesn't have any concept of truth, it has no knowledge, those concepts are not relevant to what it does, but it can sure produce English sentences that sound like it has those things.


We caught a grad student using it to plagiarize just today, btw. His answers (about English linguistics) might have sounded pretty convincing to a lot of folks but A) he is not a very good writer in other contexts and was already on our watch list and B) his essay didn't actually make any sense when read carefully.
 

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But I have had the same experience in my own field - it exels at producing b&*%&$*t good enough to fool someone who doesn't know better.
Exactly.

I have seen articles from a fan website for the band Fuel cited as a serious source of information at least twice in Facebook groups. Looks like the guy that runs the site has a ChatGPT subscription haha. Hundreds of strange music-related articles but all it takes is one "good" one to get a backwards conversation started. This is why the AI thing isn't going away, the sheer volume of content will flood our conversation space and it will absolutely fool some people some of the time.

 

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The thing is so interesting. To ME, an electronics nobody, this sounds EXACTLY like you guys when you talk about amps - as far as I know the answers might as well be 100% corrrect and useful. But I have had the same experience in my own field - it exels at producing b&*%&$*t good enough to fool someone who doesn't know better. The thing doesn't have any concept of truth, it has no knowledge, those concepts are not relevant to what it does, but it can sure produce English sentences that sound like it has those things.


We caught a grad student using it to plagiarize just today, btw. His answers (about English linguistics) might have sounded pretty convincing to a lot of folks but A) he is not a very good writer in other contexts and was already on our watch list and B) his essay didn't actually make any sense when read carefully.
As mentioned above, the chat bot apparently isn’t smart enough to at the very least mention the dangers of high voltage circuits. That’s because the chat bot has never built an amp and never will. It will take someone getting injured or killed due to the pseudo-knowledge and plagiarized responses dispensed by these apps before someone finally reigns them in…
 

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The thing is so interesting. To ME, an electronics nobody, this sounds EXACTLY like you guys when you talk about amps - as far as I know the answers might as well be 100% corrrect and useful. But I have had the same experience in my own field - it exels at producing b&*%&$*t good enough to fool someone who doesn't know better. The thing doesn't have any concept of truth, it has no knowledge, those concepts are not relevant to what it does, but it can sure produce English sentences that sound like it has those things.


We caught a grad student using it to plagiarize just today, btw. His answers (about English linguistics) might have sounded pretty convincing to a lot of folks but A) he is not a very good writer in other contexts and was already on our watch list and B) his essay didn't actually make any sense when read carefully.
In fairness, the vast majority of what it said is absolutely correct. I did, however, ask it to design a class B single ended amp, and it did not catch the error (they're class A). But the rest is substantially correct. The circuit it described was largely correct, and what it said about filters was too. It got about 98% correct.
 

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In addition to the technical aspects of tube amp design, there is also an element of artistic expression involved in creating an amp with a unique tonal signature that complements a particular guitar or playing style.

Right on you Matrix robot!
 

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A bit later I asked it to help me write a song:

Me
Can you write a chord progression, lyrics and melody that would make a hit indy rock song? Something like Wilco meets Elliott Smith? Sad, but not completely hopeless. Like No depression, but with a hint of early Beatles.

ChatGPT

Sure, here's a potential chord progression, lyrics, and melody for an indie rock song that combines elements of Wilco, Elliott Smith, and early Beatles:


Chord progression: G - D - Em - C
Verse 1:
G D Em C
Walking down these empty streets again
G D Em C
Can't shake this feeling that I'm alone
G D Em C
Every face I see just fades away
G D Em C
Guess it's just another lonely day

Chorus:
G D Em C
But I still believe in something more
G D Em C
And I won't give up until I find what I'm looking for
G D Em C
Even if it takes me all my life
G D Em C
I won't let go of this hope inside

Verse 2:
G D Em C
Lost in thought, I wander through the night
G D Em C
Trying to find my way back to the light
G D Em C
But every turn just leads me back to you
G D Em C
And I don't know what else I can do
Chorus:


Bridge:
Em D C G
Maybe I'm just chasing ghosts
Em D C G
But I can't help but feel this way
Em D C G
And even though it hurts the most
Em D C G
I'll keep on searching day by day
Chorus:
G D Em C

Outro: G D Em C Walking down these empty streets again G D Em C Can't shake this feeling that I'm alone G D Em C But I still believe in something more G D Em C And I won't give up until I find what I'm looking for

Me
That's not terrible, but I don't get a real sense of place from that. And the lyrics are predictable, and not all Beatles-like. Can you improve the lyrics as I suggested, and write a melody for one verse and one chorus in guitar TAB?


ChatGPT
Sure, I'll take another shot at it. Here's a revised version of the lyrics and a melody for one verse and one chorus in guitar TAB.

Chord progression:
A - E - F#m - D

Verse 1:
A E F#m D
In this old town, where the buildings rise so high
A E F#m D
And the streets are lined with neon signs
A E F#m D
I walk alone, in the shadows of the night
A E F#m D


Chorus:
A E F#m D
But I keep on falling, falling down
A E F#m D
And I can't seem to find my way around
A E F#m D
But I won't give up, I won't give in
A E F#m D
I'll keep on searching, 'til the bitter end

Melody for verse: e|------------------|------------------|------------------|------------------| B|-----2-----2-----2|-----2-----2-----2|-----2-----2-----2|-----2-----2-----2| G|---2-----2-----2--|---2-----2-----2--|---2-----2-----2--|---2-----2-----2--| D|-2-----2-----2----|-2-----2-----2----|-2-----2-----2----|-2-----2-----2----| A|------------------|------------------|------------------|------------------| E|------------------|------------------|------------------|------------------|
Melody for chorus: e|------------------|------------------|------------------|------------------| B|-----2-----2-----2|-----2-----2-----2|-----2-----2-----2|-----2-----2-----2| G|---2-----2-----2--|---2-----2-----2--|---2-----2-----2--|---2-----2-----2--| D|-2-----2-----2----|-2-----2-----2----|-2-----2-----2----|-2-----2-----2----| A|------------------|------------------|------------------|------------------| E|------------------|------------------|------------------|------------------|
Note: The TAB shows the chord shapes played on the guitar, rather than the specific notes played in the melody.

Me
The lyrics are better, thanks. I would like if some of the rhymes worked with two words rhyming with one. Something like cooperate and paper plate.



Sure, here's a revised version of the lyrics with some internal rhymes like the ones you mentioned.
Verse 1:
A E F#m D
In this old town, where the buildings scrape the sky
A E F#m D
And the neon lights are burning bright
A E F#m D
I walk alone, with my head hung low
A E F#m D
Trying to find a place to call my own

Chorus:
A E F#m D
But I keep on falling, crashing down
A E F#m D
Like a paper plate that hits the ground
A E F#m D
I'll try to rise up, to cooperate
A E F#m D
With the forces that control my fate

I hope this version works better for you!

Me
Also, the melody is bad. Too repetitive. And we need a bridge melody.

ChatGPT

I apologize for the previous melody, I'll work on a revised version with a bridge included. Here's my attempt:

Chord progression:
A - E - F#m - D

Verse 1:
A E F#m D
In this old town, where the buildings scrape the sky
A E F#m D
And the neon lights are burning bright
A E F#m D
I walk alone, with my head hung low
A E F#m D
Trying to find a place to call my own

Chorus:
A E F#m D
But I keep on falling, crashing down
A E F#m D
Like a paper plate that hits the ground
A E F#m D
I'll try to rise up, to cooperate
A E F#m D
With the forces that control my fate

Bridge:
Bm F#m D A
I see the world, through a different lens
Bm F#m D A
But I'm not sure, if it's worth the sense
Bm F#m D A
Can't help but feel, like I'm just a pawn
Bm F#m D A
In a game that's already been won

Chorus:
A E F#m D
But I keep on falling, crashing down
A E F#m D Like a paper plate that hits the ground
A E F#m D I'll try to rise up, to cooperate
A E F#m D With the forces that control my fate

I hope this version is better suited to your tastes. Let me know if you have any other feedback or requests.

Me
Well, paper plates don't really crash down. And they don't fall so much as flutter. the analogy is poor. I would also like the improved melody in TAB for verse chorus and bridge. Try for more variety, potentially in the last line of each. And why did you use the phrase paper plate?

ChatGPT

I apologize for the poor analogy with the paper plate, I understand that it doesn't quite fit. I used it because of the internal rhyme with "cooperate" that you mentioned earlier. I'll revise the lyrics to come up with a better analogy.
 

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As mentioned above, the chat bot apparently isn’t smart enough to at the very least mention the dangers of high voltage circuits. That’s because the chat bot has never built an amp and never will. It will take someone getting injured or killed due to the pseudo-knowledge and plagiarized responses dispensed by these apps before someone finally reigns them in…
Fourth paragraph in the first response:

"There are many resources available for those interested in learning more about designing tube amps, including online tutorials, books, and forums dedicated to the topic. It's important to have a solid understanding of electronics and circuit design principles before attempting to design and build a tube amp, as there are safety considerations and potential risks associated with working with high-voltage circuits."
[emphasis mine]
 




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