Celestion G10 Gold or Creamback?

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Have a G10 Vintage in my 68 custom Princeton reverb. It was an improvement over the stock 10/30. I've been searching for a bit "bigger" of a sound.

I thought about putting a 12" in there, but have been advised against it. I worry that it that would sound too bassy in that amp, even flubby. For example, I was running our singer's AC15 (12" greenback) in stereo with my Princeton and I didn't like the obnoxious bass coming out of the vox… I politely told him thanks but no thanks - i'll just run my Princeton on it's own!

Anyhow, long story short...

So I was thinking about trying out the G10 alnico gold. It sure is expensive though! Then I saw this new g10 creamback. 45 watts. I wonder if this would be too similar to the G10 vintage? I like the idea of going from the 60watts to 40 or 45. The gold actually has higher sensitivity than the vintage, so that seems ideal - can work the speaker a bit more, but it will actually bit louder.

Anyone have experience with the whole G10 line? Or any of those three in a 68 CPR?

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btw, I play mainly rock. Looking for sweet high end and prominent mids. And takes fuzz and distortion well, while sounding aces for clean funky stuff. Thanks!
 

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Wow, that is nice. I did not know they came out with a 10 version.
I have 12 in a DRRI that is great.
 

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what ya need to do is determine the metrics of the cabinet you will be placing the speaker in, and the required metrics the specific speaker demands... as long as those are met, then any size speaker that meets the requirements will sound correct...

in an open back cabinet it must be configured so that the sound generated when the cone is traveling back is in sync with the sound being generated when the speaker is moving forward when thew two sound waves meet... this is "regulated" by the size of the cabinet... or "stuff" sat behind the cabinet to interfere with the sound as it travels around the amp... (not a good way to do things)

with a closed back cabinet it's not as critical ... but the speaker must be designed for such an "acoustic suspension" application.. there are other options such as ported "boxes" where a tube of specific diameter and length is inserted in the front baffle, so that the lower frequencies generated within the box can escape, in sync with those of the same frequencies generated out the front..

point .. ya cannot just chunk any old speaker that fits into any old box ya have available... ( in theory ;)) and it's not all that simple.. while the math involved is somewhat complicated, there are programs that will compute it for ya... or you can do it like we all have all these years, buy whatcha want and stick it in the hole, run the screws in and rock on....:p

call MoJotone and talk to the guys, they will steer ya right.. also Parts Express has quite a collection of info for wannabe speaker enclosure designers..

rk
 

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what ya need to do is determine the metrics of the cabinet you will be placing the speaker in, and the required metrics the specific speaker demands... as long as those are met, then any size speaker that meets the requirements will sound correct...

in an open back cabinet it must be configured so that the sound generated when the cone is traveling back is in sync with the sound being generated when the speaker is moving forward when thew two sound waves meet... this is "regulated" by the size of the cabinet... or "stuff" sat behind the cabinet to interfere with the sound as it travels around the amp... (not a good way to do things)

with a closed back cabinet it's not as critical ... but the speaker must be designed for such an "acoustic suspension" application.. there are other options such as ported "boxes" where a tube of specific diameter and length is inserted in the front baffle, so that the lower frequencies generated within the box can escape, in sync with those of the same frequencies generated out the front..

point .. ya cannot just chunk any old speaker that fits into any old box ya have available... ( in theory ;)) and it's not all that simple.. while the math involved is somewhat complicated, there are programs that will compute it for ya... or you can do it like we all have all these years, buy whatcha want and stick it in the hole, run the screws in and rock on....:p

call MoJotone and talk to the guys, they will steer ya right.. also Parts Express has quite a collection of info for wannabe speaker enclosure designers..

rk

ya ya ya… anyone else?

lol, j/k - thanks for the info.

Axe
 

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Got a C12q in my PR, one of the least bassy speakers ever, and still run with the bass control around 1-2. I'm actually thinking of going over to a 10" speaker.

The G10 gold is a heavy lil' fella. I tried a couple in my tweed Super. Nice, but it depends on what you need, and where.
 

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What are the chances of being unsatisfied if I bit the bullet and bought the gold?

It is supposedly their "premier" 10 inch speaker.

Safe bet?
 

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I researched Princeton speakers a year or so back when I bought my SE PRRI. I remember reading remarks of a couple of players who claimed that the Celestion Gold and a Princeton were a match made in heaven. I bought a special edition Princeton with a 12" speaker and found out that the 12" Celestion Golds were in the neighborhood of $270 (still made in England) and that put the breaks on that idea. I think a 10" Gold would be a worthwhile investment (they're a lot less expensive IIRC). I also think you're right about a 12" speaker in the Princeton cabinet, they can produce a lot of bass, probably why some like the C-Rex in them. After making an extension cabinet just slightly bigger than a Princeton, I've come to the conclusion that Deluxe Reverb cabinet is the ideal volume for a 12" speaker, it just breathes better. If I had it to do over, I'd probably go with a 10" Princeton and a premium speaker.

If you get the Gold, write up a review for us. Hey, you only live once, go for the gold!
 

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I researched Princeton speakers a year or so back when I bought my SE PRRI. I remember reading remarks of a couple of players who claimed that the Celestion Gold and a Princeton were a match made in heaven. I bought a special edition Princeton with a 12" speaker and found out that the 12" Celestion Golds were in the neighborhood of $270 (still made in England) and that put the breaks on that idea. I think a 10" Gold would be a worthwhile investment (they're a lot less expensive IIRC). I also think you're right about a 12" speaker in the Princeton cabinet, they can produce a lot of bass, probably why some like the C-Rex in them. After making an extension cabinet just slightly bigger than a Princeton, I've come to the conclusion that Deluxe Reverb cabinet is the ideal volume for a 12" speaker, it just breathes better. If I had it to do over, I'd probably go with a 10" Princeton and a premium speaker.

If you get the Gold, write up a review for us. Hey, you only live once, go for the gold!
 

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Will do!

I'm going to try a 2x12 cab extension with green backs tonight.

If that doesn't blow me away, I'll order the gold 10. It's around $260 CAD after tax and shipping. That's around $200 USD. Much cheaper and more convenient than the 2x12 cab though
 

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have experience with Jupiter sc10's in my Super...love em..sometimes i think a marshall is behind me come lead time. They are bold...but still retain fender clean,,but have the mids available like a Celestion

was agonizing over what to put in the beast. so glad i stumbled onto them..very good sounds in 1 package that can kinda do it all. Super clean or overdriven madness
 

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You can usually find 10" Golds for sale used pretty often. I purchased mine from another forum for about half the new price and they pop up there every month or so. I used mine in my PR for awhile but I ended up going with a less efficient speaker as the Gold is quite loud with a firm low end.
 

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I installed a Gold 10” in a custom built tweed speaker cab a couple of weeks ago for a fellow. He is planning on running his Super Champ through it. He later brought the Super Champ for an installation of a 1/4” speaker jack and general evaluation when he came to get the tweed cab with the Gold. I had my Super Champ sitting there...with the Eminence Legend ALK 1028’s in them. I let him hear one of them with the ALK, and then I plugged the amp into his tweed cab with that Gold in it. He immediately pulled out his phone and ordered a new Legend ALK for his Super Champ.
Fwiw, a Super Champ is a hot rod Princeton Reverb. The ALK has performed excellently in every amp in which I have heard it....including a pin 8x10 Marshall cab that sat under a 1979 Md. 2203 MV Marshall. Bargain of a speaker, imho....the fellow with the Gold in a custom cab thought so, too.
 

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Update:

Last night I messed around with my board and stuff, and did a lot of jamming around solo.. you know, the fiddly productive kind.

Something happened, and suddenly my amp sounded perfect! I mean, there was nothing I'd change. Pretty rare for a neurotic tone snob guitarist!

I turned off my eq pedal and simplified my board a bit.

I think we tweak for improvement, then tweak some more... Cuz, hey, it's working. Before I knew it, my tone was so far removed from what made me like and purchase that Princeton in the first place.

Anyways, that g10v is staying put... For now lol.

I even plugged into a 2x12 cab with green backs. Wtf happened to my sound? That lasted about 45 seconds.
 

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I can't see any Celestion being an ideal match for the PR. The V-type is a very flat response so it's probably closest, I presume it's what you have, the Vintage 10 has an upper mid spike. I would presume that would not be a good fit either.

Greenbacks - no. Too middy for the mid-light Fender Reverb tonestack. Lacking top end response.

PRs have a problem with blocking distortion if run with lots of overdrive due to the cathodyne phase inverter. There's a simple mod that can help avoid that but running bass lower helps.

The Vox - if you push either treble or bass too hard on a Topboost channel especially with boost it will be a fart monster. Especially with a Greenback. Trebles on Vox (and Fender, Marshall) is a global control that if you set too high it will kick mids and bass way high.

Do yourself a favour. Get the Emi Allesandro SC64 GA10. It's made for your amp. It's very balanced, has a nice Jensen -y sparkle, nice firm bottom like Rhianna. Due to the old-timey paper voicecoil former and close gap it's a very warm and open sounding speaker.

It's almost as efficient as the V-type but has a response curve tailored to the BF/SF amp.

I have one in my 83 Superchamp and it's a winner. As @Wally mentioned a Superchamp has a Princeton Reverb preamp with a Deluxe Reverb output section. It works clean and dirty. As it's handling a rated 17 watt amp it's got no problem with 12 watts.
 
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I can't see any Celestion being an ideal match for the PR. The V-type is a very flat response so it's probably closest, I presume it's what you have, the Vintage 10 has an upper mid spike. I would presume that would not be a good fit either.

Greenbacks - no. Too middy for the mid-light Fender Reverb tonestack. Lacking top end response.

PRs have a problem with blocking distortion if run with lots of overdrive due to the cathodyne phase inverter. There's a simple mod that can help avoid that but running bass lower helps.

The Vox - if you push either treble or bass too hard on a Topboost channel especially with boost it will be a fart monster. Especially with a Greenback. Trebles on Vox (and Fender, Marshall) is a global control that if you set too high it will kick mids and bass way high.

Do yourself a favour. Get the Emi Allesandro SC64 GA10. It's made for your amp. It's very balanced, has a nice Jensen -y sparkle, nice firm bottom like Rhianna. Due to the old-timey paper voicecoil former and close gap it's a very warm and open sounding speaker.

It's almost as efficient as the V-type but has a response curve tailored to the BF/SF amp.

I have one in my 83 Superchamp and it's a winner. As @Wally mentioned a Superchamp has a Princeton Reverb preamp with a Deluxe Reverb output section. It works clean and dirty. As it's handling a rated 17 watt amp it's got no problem with 12 watts.
+1 with your take on a midrange-focussed speaker in a Prin Rev…..or a Super Champ. however, I have to observe that a Super .champ is a BF/SF Princeton Reverb in it’s basic circuit. it differs from the Deluxe Reverb 8n that the Dr has a long tail pair phase 8nverter versus the cathodyne in the Princeton Reverb and Super Champ. In the Rivera line, the Princeton Reverb II is in effect a single channel Deluxe Reverb without the trem.…both amps have the LTP phase inverter.
 
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