Caution when ordering tuners from Philadelphia Luthier

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  1. PeterUK

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    D38D9966-EFB1-4040-ACC6-2050324B7C5C.jpeg A quick heads up when ordering tuners from Philadelphia Luthier.

    Their right-hand tuners are listed as ‘left side’ and their left-hand tuners are listed as ‘right side’.

    They do describe this in their eBay listing but after 20-years of buying and ordering parts I’ve never made the mistake of order right-hand tuning machines for the left side!!

    This has screwed up a build that needs to be done by Christmas.

    You have been warned.

    :( Peter
     
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  2. Paul G.

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    Right-side and right-hand are not the same thing. The listing is clear to me.
     
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    Guitarteach Poster Extraordinaire

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    I am confused. Pics seem good and clear to me. Shows front and the numbers for L and R.

    Did you order the wrong ones or did they send the wrong ones by accident?
     
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  4. LutherBurger

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    With a picture, too, apparently. So where's the problem?
     
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    Yup, looks pretty clear to me.
     
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    Caution when reading threads started by PeterUK
     
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    Philadelphia Luthiers is not alone in advertising their tuners this way...I believe most dealers that I have seen do it that way.

    As a southpaw, I am accustomed to paying attention when ordering parts...
     
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  9. LutherBurger

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    Many sellers just describe them as "6L" or "6R". That's where you really need to be careful, as some sellers mean "-handed" and some mean "side".
     
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    It's easy to get confused when it's :
    "Pass the Dutchie on the lefthand side"

    :confused: from which effin' perspective? :lol:
     
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    After reading the initial post, the follow-up posts, and going back to look at the descriptions and graphics from the site, I think the way they use right-side and left-side as descriptors for 6-in-line tuners is pretty stupid. Is this a common way things are done?

    They are right-side and left-side when the guitar is face-up and a person is looking at the headstock straight in front of him/her. In that case, why not describe the guitar face-down, so that one is looking at the back of the headstock? Then we can say the opposite. How silly.

    "Left-hand" and "right-hand" 6-in-line tuners makes way more sense to me, since it is describing the orientation of the tuners in relation to a playing position (which does not change in the way that the direction from which one looks at the headstock does). And then one doesn't have to deal with the strangeness of having right-handed tuners being the same as what is here described as "left-side" tuners, and vice-versa.

    The only way the descriptors "right-side" and "left-side" seem to make sense is in relation to a 3x3 tuner setup.
     
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    The logical way to describe tuners is... left handed tuners for left handed guitars and right handed tuners for right handed guitars.
     
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    I think a lot of us could have made this mistake
    PeterUk was just unfortunate enough to admit it
     
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    Each headstock silhouette in the photo clearly says "FRONT" on it. I think that's sufficient.
     
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    I understand that. It does say "front," but if it were simply advertised logically, according to which hand one plays with, none of that would be necessary, and one wouldn't have "left-side" tuners for "right-hand" guitars.
     
  16. LutherBurger

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    I would agree, if the abomination known as the "reverse headstock" did not exist.
     
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    Looking at the listing for the tuners, it's pretty clear how to order what you need.

    It clearly states in red:
    Guitar and Bass tuning machines are sold by the side of the headstock they are mounted when viewing from the front. Left or Right side is not the same as left or right handed. Please remember this when placing your order.

    they include a picture:
    tuner.jpg

    https://www.philadelphialuthiertool...sg381-07-tuning-machine-w-small-knob-singles/
     
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  18. theprofessor

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    You've got a point there. I cannot argue with that.
     
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    I think the reference to left or right side is sufficient and helps you make sure you’re getting the correct (almost said “right”...) thing when dealing with situations like reverse headstocks or replacements of individual machine heads. I’ve been known to buy reversible designs just to protect myself from my own stupidity... :)
     
  20. theprofessor

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    Yes, that must be it -- the reverse headstock making everything more complicated.
     
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