CATCH 22: The Book

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  1. 3fngrs

    3fngrs Friend of Leo's

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    One of my my favorite books. I have been thinking i need to reread it. I think I'll be ordering a copy in the morning.
     
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    Read it decades ago for fun and loved it, but need to re-read it.
     
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    This book has been sitting on my shelf for years and I’ve made several attempts to read it. I can’t get into it for some reason. I have the same problem with “Gravity’s Rainbow”. I’m going to give both another shot in the near future.
     
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    oh man. my freshman year in college I took a class, english class, that was a 200 level class, lots of cool stuff 'night' elie wiesel, Borges, a vonnegut novel... anyway, the prof mentions something happened and he says 'if anyone has read this book, you automatically get an A in this course.'

    I raise my hand and he laughs (I was wearing my baseball practice crapola or overalls... it was a night class and I went right after practice) and says, 'okay, well, tell me about the book.'

    I shrug and say, 'we are all Bob Slocum'.... then I say if the scene in catch 22 with snowden doesn't break your heart, then you have to read the scene with Bob and his son' and he laughs even harder and says, 'okay, you have your A, but what do you make of that scene?' and I say (all 17 years old of me) 'its like the old blues song, the very thing that makes you rich, makes you poor.'

    The only thing in the world that Bob Slocum felt any love for, the one thing that mattered to him... and he accidentally, through that love and concern, destroys it.

    Classic.

    Something Happened is not as funny as Catch 22 and is a harder story. I kind of wonder if people in their 30's or younger today would even connect with it.
     
  5. Recce

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    I read Catch 22 in Junior Highor early high school. Yes, y’all are convincing me I might need to read it again.
    It’s crazy to go up In bombers and be shot at but they won’t stop you. Once you realize it’s crazy that means you aren’t and they can then order you to do it. Catch 22.
     
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  6. ping-ping-clicka

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    Please be careful tele players are a slim bunch , metaphorical speaking. have a great read.
     
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    Along with the Foundation trilogy, this was my favorite book when I was in the U.S. Navy. I read it at least five or six times on my six month deployment in 2001–2002.
     
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    Lolita? Funny? Have you seen the film?
     
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    Slaughterhouse 5 is a favorite here.
     
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    I like both the book and the 1972 movie adaptation (apparently, Vonnegut liked it, too). I've tried to read other Vonnegut books and they just didn't click with me. Perhaps I liked "Slaughterhouse Five" more because, in spite of the fantasy elements, it was more rooted in his personal experience, but I haven't read enough Vonnegut to know for sure.
     
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    Read it in high school and really liked it. I remember being surprised by how much praise the movie received. It was probably my introduction to the notion that the movie is never as good as the book.
     
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    when I'm reading books I don't anal-ize them. I do need to get the drift, Authors like , hmmmm like who ? mmmm Irving Welch.
    He talks about the everyday graphically and leads me to think ,
    "Hey what's causing everyday to be this broken and painful?"

    In Train Spotting our humble narrator step over the proscenium arch,
    and says "why do we go through all of this ? Because it feels good, we're not stupid!"
    doing our thinking for us
    "their lives are horrible why do they do it?" it feels good.
     
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    been following. my .02 dollars.... great book. It touches so many important social issue that are still relevant today.

    most people will not get it. I know that because we still struggle with the same things today

    read it again. Milo is the key... (I say no more due to possible ban)


    PS, and yeah, different from the movie. that is another discussion
     
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    The 1970 movie was a noble failure. The recent miniseries adaptation was merely a failure. Unlike the movie, it included the scene between Yossarian and Lt. Scheisskopf's wife, but they presented it in the most unfunny way possible.
     
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    It’s one of those books I sorted wanted to read, but was not at the top of my list.

    Your post and getbent’s interpretation make me want to read it more!
     
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    .. story goes Heller was being interviewed (I'm paraphrasing)

    Interviewer: But you've never written anything as good as Catch-22
    Heller: No, but then neither has anyone else
     
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    Spoken with style and grace I love the mans aplomb.
     
  18. dogmeat

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    Only other book I read that was as good was Little Big Man... and everything by Mark Twain
     
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    Just bought a new copy to reread. For me it's about the madness of war and the madness of generals in particular
     
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    A really intelligent look at how people operate. mandatory reading in year 10 syllabus.
    I like Major Major Major major- when he's in - he's out, when he's out - he's in. Smart author.
     
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