CATCH 22: The Book

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  1. ping-ping-clicka

    ping-ping-clicka Poster Extraordinaire Ad Free Member

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    Have you read "Catch 22"?

    What do think it's about ?
    Is it an allegory?

    Our anti-hero
    The hospital is Yossarian's home away from home and much more civilized than the war front. People die in hospitals, but they do so with more decorum. There is less screaming, and death is seldom a surprise. One of Yossarian's happiest Thanksgivings is spent in the Lowery Field hospital; it is so good that he considers spending every Thanksgiving in a hospital. But by the time the protagonist is in cadet training, at Santa Ana, California (1943), he is having an affair with his commanding officer's wife on Thanksgiving, still indulging in behavior atypical of a classic hero.
     
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    my copy of the book seemed to have a few pages missing
     
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    I read it a while ago. I really would be no help. I enjoyed it, like I enjoyed Mash. I just enjoyed it, the character development, the odd situations, and so on. I didn't analyze it. Sorry.
     
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    I read it years ago and have seen the movie a few times and believe it's all about a nice tight bombing pattern.

     
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    It's the greatest allegory ever written on the madness of war and capitalism, and the individual's fight for freedom.

    It's also very funny.

    You have to get to the end for it all to fall into place.
     
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    I have read it many times.

    I think what it is about is the illusion of freedom. Our freedom is largely the latitude to live in a narrative we create so long as it does not interfere with the larger narrative (which hems us in.)

    Orr reinforces this, Milo, Nately, Nately's whore, the Colonel's. The hints abound...

    'we'll let you go home (freedom) but you have to like us (violates his narrative)'

    Yossarian why don't you want to fly with me? because you always crash!

    I am the greatest of patriots, when the fascists are here, I support them, when the nazis are here, I support them, when you arrived, I support you... I'm a very old man and you, you are very young but likely to die soon while I will live a very long time.

    The danger is 'seeing things twice' right?

    Consider Snowden. Maybe the most powerful example in the book. That Yossarian would begin to believe that he controlled the narrative, even for a moment, reminded him.... besides what DID happen to the Snowden's of yesteryear?

    Probably the greatest american novel... eclipses even Moby Dick, even Huck Finn, even Pynchon and Faulkner.

    thats some catch that catch 22.... it is the best there is....

    (fun fact, originally it was written catch 18, but a leon uris novel was coming out with 18 in it so, it was changed... further proving the catch)
     
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    I use that phrase but like the Peter principal it has been lost.
     
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    I'll defer to you on your first statement, and totally agree with the 2nd two. I do remember it pulling all together at the end, and enjoying the whole book.
     
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    Haven't read it yet. It's on my list. I did, however, greatly enjoy the Hulu TV series. Don't know how closely it follows the book. But I get a sense that it captures some of the comedy and madness of the book.
     
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    Damn - you almost make me want to read it again. I think the only book I read twice was Moby Dick, and that was many years apart.
     
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    It’s one of those books I started a few times before I really got into it but once I did it kept getting better and better. By the end I realized what all the hype was about. My trouble at the beginning was keeping track of all the characters and how they fit in. Once I made up my mind to just go with it, it started coming together as I went further and further into it.
     
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    Like GetBent, I have read and reread the book. It's a satirical novel that speaks to the human condition and the madness of bureaucracy. Would I call it an allegory? The definition might be fuzzy enough to allow that, but I think it's a stretch.
     
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    The movie was a factor in Simon and Garfunkel’s break up.
     
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    Your ability to identify the MacGuffin is uncanny!
     
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    nice haircut artie.
     
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    I had to look up MacGuffin. I get it confused with a Shemp.
     
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    It is a fantastic book. I’ve read it it 5-6 times. With each read I realized more and more how I loved Catch 22

    I hold it in the same regard as I do Johnny Got His Gun. A great anti war book

    That’s some catch that Catch 22
     
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    That's not a MacGuffin.
     
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