Carr Rambler Vs Fender '65 PRRI Knotty Pine Ltd Edition w/12"

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  1. Groberts

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    Carr Rambler Vs Fender '65 PRRI Knotty Pine Ltd Edition w/12" Jupiter

    I made a demo using a Fender Custom Shop 51 Nocaster Heavy Relic to compare a Carr Rambler to my Fender '65 Princeton Reverb Reissue Knotty Pine Ltd Edition. The Knotty Pine has a super cool All Pine cabinet (no Tolex) and it came with a Celestion 12" Alnico Cream speaker. I replaced that with a Jupiter 12LC 12" Speaker with Ceramic Magnet. The Jupiter is a 50W speaker and has plenty of clean headroom giving this PRRI better small amp performance than any I've tried.

    If the Rambler sounds better in certain areas here, some of that is because it was louder. And inherently richer and fuller being a bigger amp with 6L6's and 28W's of power versus the PRRI making 15w-ish?

     
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    Those are very different amplifiers. Even if they were at the same volume, there would be a noticeable difference.
    That said, I would take the Carr over the Fender with no questions asked.
     
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    One more recording, with Just the Fender '65 Princeton Reverb reissue, Knotty Pine. My dogs started barking outside the room as I was ending, so the end of the song was less than elegant. I am loving this Amp ...It brings out the best in the '51 CS Nocaster.

     
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    Well, alright...I’ll give you enough for the Rambler to buy another PRRI?????? (;^)
     
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    Not to compare. The Rambler sounds one class better even thru my iPhone.
     
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    The Rambler is on another level in many ways. Yet the Fender PRRI has a vibe and soul that is classic Fender and its super fun to play. Inspiring. The Rambler sounds best once I get it juiced up and a bit louder. (Often that is louder than I need)
     
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    I agree, very different amps. But cool to hear them
     
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    This is a fine example of why I've done stuff like buy a Blues Jr and later sell it: two times over the years.

    The PRRI sounds good but it's just not a "great amp".
    The Carr is a great amp, and despite all the venom about "nobody can hear the pcb" etc, great amps do sound better than middle of the road consumer amps, even if the consumer amp is limited edition.

    Nice guitar too!
    And nice playing.
     
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    I‘ve tried the 65‘ PRRI besides my original Princeton from 1980. The reissue sounds liveless and cold compared to the original. The old Princeton is the best amp I‘ve ever played, even better than my Swarts.
     
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    That Prin Rev can be made to come alive, but it cannot be what that Carr is. It might become something that sounds much better than the stock version, but the Carr is built to do something different.
     
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    Get a nice A-B pedal to run them both - I love my Fulltone True-path - you'll be in heaven!
     
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    Like everyone has said... 6L6 vs 6V6, Class A vs Class AB, 15ish watts vs 30ish watts.

    What ultimately matters is that YOU like it. To me they are both great amps. I am a fellow Rambler owner and FOR ME it is the perfect guitar amp. It sounds to me like the Princeton is more focused whereas the Rambler sounds more 3D.

    The thing that really sticks out to me is that sitting next to each other the amps look roughly the same size. I think of my Rambler as a, "Big," amp, because even though it is a 1x12, it is loud and clean. I had been thinking about getting a smaller amp to use like a Princeton (Had been looking at the Carr Sportsman and the Morgan PR12), but after seeing them side by side, I wouldn't really be reducing the footprint at all. Maybe I will instead look for some type of power soak instead since I already have an amp that I love.

    Either way, I enjoyed the way both amps sound. You can't go wrong with any Fender style tube amp!
     
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    I've said before, with a huge twang of jealousy, that if I lived in the US or Canada, I'd buy a SF Princeton, through Reverb, make it roadworthy and keep the rest of my money for something else.

    Export duties, exchange rates and transport costs being what they are, an old Princeton or DR would cost almost as much as a new Rambler, over here.....:(
     
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    They are both nice, but the Carr sounds 3 dimensional while the PRRI is more 2-D.
     
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    I wish someone would A/B a Sportsman, too.
     
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    So why the ceramic vs the Cream alnico. ?
    more Fender Chime I would guess?

    I like the alnico in my Bourdeaux,
     
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    "I had been thinking about getting a smaller amp to use like a Princeton"

    Have you checked out the Carr Mercury?
     
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    Nice vids. Nice chops. Nice amps.
     
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    Very nice playing! Both sound great, but the Rambler to my ears is more "present" whereas the PRRI is a bit muted by comparison. Someone said the Rambler has a more three dimensional sound. That's what I'm hearing. Carr makes fantastic amps. Wish I could afford one... Maybe one day.
     
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    Yeah I will second or third that – very nice playing!

    I played a couple Carr amps but not that model - very nice though.

    I would say the same thing to everyone likes to play clean-ish with their PRRI: go get a well-serviced 70s non-reverb Princeton.

    Trust me on that one. You can dial it in with different speaker choices and as far as reverb? The world is your oyster on very good reverb pedals these days.

    Some people call it the mini-Twin tonally.

    I don’t know about that but have tried both a 65 and 68 RI Princeton Reverb, and I much prefer the 70’s NR Princeton.
     
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