Carol Kaye - Says 'No!' to Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

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Ain't no r'n'r in RRHOF. I mean, I've nothing against genres such as hip-hop etc. being included, persay, but why call it "rock'n'roll" when most nominees are anything but?
 

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Men get objectified if they're "hot," too. Elvis, Marvin Gaye, Prince, Bruno Mars, Sam Cooke, Tom Jones... But it's obviously different for women.
 

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Also - she thoroughly schooled old Gene Simmons . . .
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I don’t include Gene Simmons in the “bassist“ category.

To me, he’s always been a “bass holder”.
It's a shame she's getting hung up on the name.

My understanding is that she can be quite a handful when she’s in a mood.

Luckily when I met her it was in a very public place (the NAMM Show) and she was very nice to me…gracious even.

This isn’t because I have seven sisters, but that whole bag of crap about “oh, she’s being difficult” or “she’s quite a handful” or “she’s certainly bitchy” or she’s this or that - when it’s never applied that way to men.

With dudes it’s just that “oh, he’s a real bad ass” or “he sticks to his guns” or “he’s a real iconoclast”

🙄

If you can't say something nice...

But the truth is, my whole career has been dedicated to giving people an alternative to things like "Dead Man's Curve" and "Daydream Believer". Her work isn't really included in what I call rock and roll. ;)

Hard core man ! Real alternative? Like you don’t use Guitars do you?
Ironically, this sentence shows how female musicians are not taken seriously. Inclusion in the RRHOF will not change that in any way.

Yep . 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
 

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Kaye is not well. She claims she is the bass player on "Bernadette" and "I Was Made To Love Her", and feels comfortable taking credit away from the late James Jamerson who is not here to defend himself. What a sack of trash.
Let's curb the name-calling. You don't like her. Fine. Everyone can have an opinion. But your comment is way out of line.
 

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Men get objectified if they're "hot," too. Elvis, Marvin Gaye, Prince, Bruno Mars, Sam Cooke, Tom Jones... But it's obviously different for women.
Yeah, "Like a rhinestone cowgirl" just doesn't convey the same level of snark. It's just not fair for men! They're' not allowed to be glamorous.


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Count me among the people who think the RR HOF is a bad idea.

Carole Kaye is a strange and litigious/combative person. Her claims to have played Jamerson's bass parts were egregious. If you're not a bass player you probably don't care, but if you ARE, you know that Jamerson was an amazingly inventive and creative musician.

 
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I don't agree with her attitude, but I don't blame her for not wanting to attend. I live nearby, and I hate driving into downtown Cleveland. The only thing worse is trying to get into the Cleveland Clinic's parking garage.
 

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Ironically, this sentence shows how female musicians are not taken seriously. Inclusion in the RRHOF will not change that in any way.
I certainly take female musicians seriously. Are you implying that "being taken seriously" and recognizing their hotness can't coexist?
 

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This isn’t because I have seven sisters, but that whole bag of crap about “oh, she’s being difficult” or “she’s quite a handful” or “she’s certainly bitchy” or she’s this or that - when it’s never applied that way to men.
Oh, yes, it is. You're just not in the room. 💋

Hard core man ! Real alternative? Like you don’t use Guitars do you?
Maybe you're not familiar with Carol's body of work, or the tensions within the union in the '60s, or the shift to FM radio. Or maybe you were part of the star maker machinery and feel defensive. I preferred Muddy Waters' wall of sound to Phil Spector's. But yes, there was an alternative music movement in the '60s. It gave birth to what you now call "Classic Rock".
 

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I can only wonder what it must be like to hear your work daily, for 60-odd years.
The music the Crew played on is still everywhere, anywhere, any time.
Think about that.
If I had been involved, I’d be incredibly proud.
I’d remember the who’s, what’s, when’s and where’s.
If I were paid at all, I’d be even happier.
If they made a movie about my work, and I was mentioned or featured, I’d definitely feel like I’d made my mark.
I cannot imagine viewing it dimly.
Most of the Crew were musically literate (jazz level) pros.
Ms. Kaye definitely left her mark.
 
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All this Carol Kay bashing, but she was nice enough to me to respond to my email from 20 or 25 years ago. I asked her a somewhat stupid question, and she answered it. I asked her if Leon Russell wrote "She's Just My Style" in the style of the Beach Boys because he knew that the latest Beach Boys' single, "The Little Girl I Once Knew," had too much "dead air." Gary Lewis and the Playboys had a big hit with "She's Just My Style." Carol and Russell played on both songs, so I figured she would know.

She just said she didn't think so. But it was really nice of her to reply to a nerd like me.

Historical note: Shortly after the failure of the Beach Boys single "The Little Girl I Once Knew," they released the Beach Boys' Party Album, along with the single "Barbara Ann," a cover song that was a big hit. The album cover stated "Recorded live at a Beach Boys Party," and showed photos of them all partying it up with wives and girlfriends. But I understand it was actually recorded in the studio under clinical conditions. Carol Kaye may well have played on it.
 
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Count me among the people who think the RR HOF is a bad idea.

Carole Kaye is a strange and litigious/combative person. Her claims to have played Jamerson's bass parts were egregious. If you're not a bass player you probably don't care, but if you ARE, you know that Jamerson was an amazingly inventive and creative musician.



I am fascinated by her claims to the Motown Jamerson stuff.

She is kind of loopy, but not a liar, probably just confused.

I wonder if she was working on tons of stuff, and maybe doing backing tracks for live vocal performances of Motown artists for TV?

She's probably not hearing the vocals, and that can be confusing, that's my theory.
 
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This isn’t because I have seven sisters, but that whole bag of crap about “oh, she’s being difficult” or “she’s quite a handful” or “she’s certainly bitchy” or she’s this or that - when it’s never applied that way to men.

With dudes it’s just that “oh, he’s a real bad ass” or “he sticks to his guns” or “he’s a real
I was trying to be kind and not say “She can be a real disagreeable pain in the a**” because she can be….in spades.

BTW….I have three sisters myself.
 

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Yeah, "Like a rhinestone cowgirl" just doesn't convey the same level of snark. It's just not fair for men! They're' not allowed to be glamorous.


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Wanna bet?

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