Can you recommend locking tuners for Les Paul Junior.

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  1. TubeBlues

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    I just got a 2019 Les Paul Junior Tribute DC.

    It's got Kluson style button tuners. I'd like to install locking tuners, but don't mess with the weight balance.
    It's perfect right now.

    Any suggestion?

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  2. Toast

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    I'm not an expert on locking tuners. I have older Sperzel tuners on two of my guitars. The one thing I've learned about my locking tuners through experience is that I don't like that they can come apart into pieces. I'm with Dave's World Of Fun Stuff on that. Tuners where you can unscrew the knob all the way off till a little metal post falls out of them can be a PITA. If I were thinking about buying tuners, I would check how they work and decide whether I wanted that kind of design or not. I can't help you on finding the right balance of tuners for your guitar. Good luck.
     
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    You can - there's Gotohs (which is what these are) that are a drop-in.

    But why? I have/had three of these guitars and the Gotohs even when old don't slip.

    Things that cause tuning to go hinky. None of these is cured by new tuners - waste of money.

    1. If you have the straight wrap tail it's not compensated for intonation it's virtually impossible to get tuning right. If so, you need one of these, a 'lightning bolt' bridge or the adjustable Badass type.

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    2. Nutslots cut high - a failing of 2/3 of mine

    3. Nutslots cut for .009-.042s and putting bigger strings on causing ping-ping-ping due to sticking in the slots.

    2. and 3. are cured by a good setup along with lubing the slots.

    Done correctly they tune up and hold tune perfectly with the stock plastic button tuners. Even the 2008 'reliccd' one.

    Why do Gibson do this, when old ones had lightning bolt bridges? They think no one will notice probably. It's chintzy and spoils the guitar for some people.
     
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    Thanks dude, but the tuning stability is great. It's 100% because I like locking tuners.
     
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    Best part of the Gotoh Kluson style locking tuners is that they require no modifications to the headstock. They do weigh a tiny bit more than the originals though. I've been satisfied with the set I put on my Les Paul.
     
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    A well set up guitar with a fixed bridge and the strings installed properly shouldn’t need locking tuners, IMO. I get it if you just like the idea of them, but unless you play like a gorilla they’re really unnecessary.
     
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    I agree. That said, I have locking tuners on a lot of my guitars because (for me) it's easier to change strings, and I'm fanatical about having fresh strings.
     
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    generally if the bridge is mounted at an angle you use a tailpiece without the lightning bolt, if it is mounted straight you use a lightning bolt. If it were me, I'd probably make sure it was set up nicely e.g. the nut is good and lubed up too, stretch the strings well and play through acouple of sets of strings before I changed anything on it.
     
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    In order to quickly check if the additional weight will cause any balance problem for your liking, you can clip a capo to the headstock and see if the guitar still balances ok for you. If so, I think you’re good to go with these tuners.
     
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    Sperzels have an aluminum body so are pretty light weight.
     
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    I DON'T like locking tuners but I really hate tuners with no provision for stashing the string ends.
    Nobody makes 3x3 split shafts so lockers are the better choice AFAIK than string ends sticking out.

    I'll admit I had a hard time accepting that some players prefer locking tuners.
    Gettin' used to it though.
    I've had locking Sperzels on one Strat for maybe 22 years and they were used and beat up when I got them.
    Nice tuners if you're not fiddly and clumsy with parts.

    Gibsons are challenging enough with bridge and stoptail falling off when you remove the strings.
     
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    Ditto that.
    are there really no 3x3 split shafts out there or haven't I searched hard enough?
    they're the best things after sliced bread.
     
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    I get that you want locking.
    In my 40 years of playing I’ve only ever felt the need for locking when I had to do pointy headstock wild whammy sessions for low pay and even then I locked at the nut. Horrible times!
     
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    Locking tuners are not necessary and don't look right imho!
     
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    I did a lot of hunting and I forget now if I might have found some split shaft 3x3 with little plastic buttons or none at all in 3x3.
    I couldn't find what I wanted though and even considered buying a RH set and a LH set of 6OAS split shafts but would then have to figure out a way to secure the back without proper screw mounting provision.
    Even considered taking apart both sets and putting the split shaft gear assemblies in the 3x3 cases.
    Not 100% sure they would fit though.
    At that point I gave up and decided a set of Sperzels would do, since I use a set on a Strat without any bother.
    Still didn't buy the Sperzels yet...

    Checked just now and these might be tolerable, 3x3 lockers that look like a cross between vintage LP tuners and split shafts.
    Not sure how they work, says they lock by tightening the "string knob".
    In all my years of playing and working as a tech I don't know what a "string knob" is!
    Might be the split end looking part is actually a screwdriver slot?

    These might fit the OPs request.

    https://reverb.com/item/4137783-got...n=2068628530&utm_medium=pla&utm_source=google
     
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    Found these cheaper on ebay (as usual) with a better description than on reverb.
    Not sure if they are newer and weren't on the market when I last looked but they seem like a decent alternative to string ends sticking out, and they seem to tighten simply by tuning up which tightens the inner post against the string holding the end of the outer post, which is threaded onto the inner post like a nut. So the string is the wrench which tightens the outer nut onto the inner post.

    Since they don't have a big thumb screw on the back they should be about the same weight as stockers.

    http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-5...0001&campid=5338148343&icep_item=292786414876
     
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    Locking tuners are a time saver. I can't understand why anyone wouldn't want them. They should be standard on more models.

    You can get self locking tuners without the knob in the back that don't look weird at all.
     
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    For me it's ease of string changes...nothing to do with tuning.

    If guitars were introduced with locking tuners, I doubt anyone would be seeking out a tuner that doesn't lock. It's a no brainer for me.
     
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    TonePros fixed that issue years ago.
     
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