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Discussion in 'Telecaster Discussion Forum' started by nickgitara, Dec 23, 2019.
Pretty straight and closed grain. Alder
Yes it is.
But the guitar in question is NOT sunburst.
It is TWO TONE sunburst and as ALREADY mentioned at least four times (with concrete proof and a link) in this very thread was available ONLY with an ASH body.
This may be my favorite thread of the year. Our own Blue dress versus Gold dress.
since no one else has:
Well, you are probably right then! lol
Thank you Nick your proof is strong enough for me but I wrote an e-mail to fender to resolve this dispute.
Announcement of competition results for the best wood experts as soon as I receive an email from fender Best regards for you all and Merry Christmas!!!
Call Fender with your serial number and "ashk" them.
OK that was pretty fast. if someone dont want to read it... It's ash body produced after 3/2012 so with CS pickups ( i was curious about it too) i have copied the whole e-mail because it contains some useful informations about this model for every curious person out there.
Thanks for contacting us. The 2-tone sunburst finish was done with an ash body on this model. Full specs below for reference. I hope this helps!
Model Name: American Standard Telecaster®
Model Number: 011-3200-(Color #) and 011-3202-(Color #)
Series: American Standard Series
Body: Alder on:
(700) 3-Color Sunburst,
(719) Jade Pearl Metallic,
(794) Mystic Red,
(795) Mystic Blue,
(703)** 2-Color Sunburst, add $210.00 for Special Wood Requirements,
(721) Natural, add $210.00 for Special Wood Requirements,
(738) Crimson Red Transparent, add $210.00 for Special Wood Requirements
Neck: Maple, Modern “C” Shape,
(Gloss Headstock Face with Satin Urethane Finish on Back of Neck)
Fingerboard: Rosewood (P/N 011-3200) or Maple (P/N 011-3202), 9.5” Radius (241 mm)
Frets: 22 Medium Jumbo Frets
Scale Length: 25.5” (648 mm)
Nut: 1.685” (42.8 mm)
Machine Heads: Fender® Deluxe Staggered Cast/Sealed Tuning Machines
Bridge: American Tele with New American Standard Bent Steel Saddles and Stamped Brass Plate
Pickguard: 3-Ply Parchment On:
(700) 3-Color Sunburst,
(712) Candy Cola,
(719) Jade Pearl Metallic,
3-Ply Black On:
(738)** Crimson Red Transparent
Pickups: 1 Custom Shop Twisted Tele® Neck Pickup,
1 Custom Shop Broadcaster Bridge Pickup
Pickup Switching: 3-Position Blade:
Position 1. Bridge Pickup
Position 2. Bridge and Neck Pickups
Position 3. Neck Pickup
Controls: Master Volume, Master No-Load Tone Control
Colors: (700) 3-Color Sunburst,
(703)** 2-Color Sunburst, Maple Fingerboard Only, (Ash Body),add $210.00 for Special Wood Requirements,
(721) Natural, (Ash Body),add $210.00 for Special Wood Requirements,
(738) Crimson Red Transparent, (Ash Body),**add $210.00 for Special Wood Requirements,
(773) Ocean Blue Metallic,
(775) Bordeaux Metallic,
(719) Jade Pearl Metallic, (3/2015)
(794) Mystic Red, (10/2014),
(795) Mystic Blue, (10/2014),
(712) Candy Cola, Alder Body, 1/2013
Strings: Fender® USA, NPS, (.009 to .042)
Case: Fender® Pro Series Black Hardshell Case, P/N 0996180320
Other Features: Belly Cut Body Contour,
All New Five-Screw Mounted Brass Bridge Plate for Sonic Stability, Loaded with Improved Bent Steel Saddles with Elongated String Slots, for Increased Resonance and Sustain,
Thinner Undercoat Finish for Improved Body Resonance,
Maple Fingerboard Neck: Satin Finish on Back, Gloss Finish on Front;
Rosewood Fingerboard Neck: Satin Finish on Back, Gloss Finish on Headstock Front with Buffed Fingerboard,
4-Bolt Neck Attachment with Micro-Tilt™ Adjustment,
Bi-Flex™ Truss Rod System,
Rolled Fretboard Edges,
Staggered Tuning Keys,
H/S/H Pickup Routing,
New Molded Fender/SKB Case with TSA Locks, Glass Reinforced Nylon Trigger Latches, and Form Fitted Plush Interior,
Rolled Fingerboard Edges,
Sharper ‘52 Style Body Radius
Accessories: Case, Cable, Strap, Polishing Cloth
U.S. MSRP: $1,299.99, $1,449.99, *(703), *(721), **(738)
WRENCH SIZES: Truss Rod/Tilt Adjustment Wrench, (1/8” Hex), P/N 0023811000,
Saddle Height Adjustment Wrench, (.050” Hex), P/N 0018531000
COMMENTS: Uses Case P/N 0996101506
NOTICE: Product Prices, Features, Specifications and Availability Are Subject To Change Without Notice
Fender Musical Instruments
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I just leave these here.....
How you get Alder with big swirls /lines to look a lot like ash is you stain it that darker color that's in the ash lines/grain.. Then sand all the stain off except what is in those long lines/swirls which are below the surface..
But I still wonder if that is 2 guitars: "But also, OP's pic 1 and 2 seem to be different guitars...??? Looking at the grain stripes just above the bridge ....they are different? Is it just the light?
In pic 1 above the bridge I count 7 dark stripes between the bridge and the top pickguard screw. Maybe 2 stripes in pic 2.
And The bridge segments on one appear slotted and the other just appear round holes. ??
Nick, I want to see images of the wood inside the neck pocket.
Because while I have my suspicions, these pictures don't really close the circle. This is probably alder, based on what I see, but I couldn't say definitively. If we really, really have to know, let's take the neck off and see what's to be found in there.
Some ash is just covered in "chicken feet" and some has just a little. Lots of obvious pores is what defines ash, but some pieces of ash, cut a certain way, just have so little. I've got bodies of ash that, after grain filling and toner, you couldn't tell which it was without looking "inside".
Frankly, the info that Scottsdale sent you is a dodge. It doesn't tell us.
that might fool some of the people as far as the grain goes. There can be no mistaking ash or alder or vice versa due to the pores.
Let's not have an argument at the Christmas table. It's like all the arguments about blond and Oly White. We see a yellowish centre piece - we think immediately sunburst/alder. But early 50s Teles and 54-56 Strats in Desertburst or Tobaccoburst or whatever you call two tone were ash.
50th anniversary Strats came in a run of two-tone burst and ash. I was pretty sure the same was true of Teles. Whenever Fender put out a two-tone burst it's always been ash that I can recall. Again - some 57+ vintage instruments the red fades away and the black yellows to a brown and they're alder,.so that's confusing. But under the pickguard they're sunburst.
Fender's email seals it.. I think the oblique shots in lesser light are deceiving. They also look more reddish - if I'd only seen them I would have said alder.
I have a classic series 50s lacquer body - which is absolutely Ash. It does not, however, have big wide grain lines- and looks very “aler-ish”
This body is ALSO ash...
Or maybe ivory.
I believe someone will be able to tell you. For me, to tell from the web, I would have to see a less finished portion of the body. Neck pocket preferred or possibly the control route if it isn't painted with the conductive paint.
My vote at this point is Alder based on the grain patterns. Under the neck we would be able to see the pores. I would ask how heavy it is, but that's subjective. Also my heaviest & my lightest Strats are both Alder while my"Swamp Ash" Strat is in the middle.
And fender is not finishing that way.