Buzzing when playing 12th fret on D string

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  1. richiek65

    richiek65 Friend of Leo's Silver Supporter

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    Recently acquired an Orville 335, when I play the D string at the 12th fret there's a decent buzz, heard thru the amp as well. This is the only area of the neck with any buzz.

    Would this indicate a slightly high 13th fret, and how would I rectify it? Very nervous about not getting it right, so if I'm better off taking it to a professional, let me know!

    Thanks in advance
     
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    Saddle might be a little low. Or 13th fret might be high. Above 13th is it ok?
     
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    Before you do anything, please measure everything - relief, action at the 12th fret and next fret clearance. That will tell you a lot. Check all the frets for level by rocking them - you may have a slightly high fret. The area around the neck to body joint is frequently a slight problem spot because of the thickness of the heel, the fact that the neck may have some fall off above the joint.

    It could be as simple as needing a little less relief and/or slightly higher action, it may need some fret work.

    If you don't know how to take the measurement or how to interpret them this might help

    https://www.tdpri.com/threads/basic-setup.952636/
     
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    Yep, plays cleanly everywhere else, just the one fret on the one string.. Annoying! Otherwise I'm in heaven with this thing
     
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    Thanks for the info and links, I'll see what I've got to use as a fret rocker
     
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    A credit type card will work in a pinch.

    I use a steel artist/engineer type ruler (cut into various length sections and sanded/polished smooth on the contact surfaces [I'm too cheap to buy a proper fret rocker LOL]).
     
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    I've got engineers rules, but nothing to cut them with (plus they're from my apprenticeship 40 years ago - too sentimental to cut them up!)
     
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    Does fr13 look raised off the fretboard on close inspection?....

    a light tap with a soft hammer might be enough to get clearance....without removing material....

    I had a similar one note buzz on my latest bass build... the fret was a tad high in the centre only, a light filing sorted that....
     
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    Yes, I am inclined to believe it is a popped fret.
     
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    Is it time we insist on pics? I think so.
    (We're a visual bunch)

    Pics please!!!
     
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    Doubt we can see anything, I'm thinking we're talking about a thousandth of an inch or two
    IMG_20201017_122039_copy_2816x2112.jpg
     
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    Yes I'd rather sort this out with a light tap, I'm not brave enough to do any filing, but worried that whatever the neck is resting on will damage the finish? I'll probably use a piece of timber with a regular hammer so I can be a bit more precise than the old copper lump hammer
     
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    rest it in the palm of your hand to take the weight... that won't mark the finish.... we're talking a light tap here...;)
     
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    or just work that 13th fret/note area with the bottom of that string to simulate a few years of playing.. E flat/ D sharp.... that might banish the buzz on 12... ;)
     
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    If you do the next fret measurement it will tell you if you have a high fret or not. Since it doesn't buzz at the first fret, fret the D string at one and measure the gap at two. Now fret two and measure three, then three and four, right up the neck. As long as the next fret clearance is the same or greater than the previous one (which didn't buzz) then it won't buzz either.

    If you find one fret that the next fret clearance is suddenly less, then it goes back to the same as before (or increases), you've got a high fret. Rock it, work a very thin feeler blade all around it between the crown and fretboard - if you have a gap tap it down. If its just high with no gap, level and dress it.

    If the next fret clearance steadily increases from the first to 7 or 9 or so and then starts getting smaller you are seeing the effects of relief. Expect to see the minimum relief at the neck to body area - around 14 on a 335. Decide if you can reduce the amount of relief (I set guitars up with some but very little). To run low relief you need good frets, which takes you back to the rocker.

    My favorite fret rocker is the little StewMac action gauge - kills two birds with one tool. Again, all of this is discussed in the setup link I gave you earlier.
     
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    Fret wear up high is usually far less than lower on the neck. You could just need to level down your upper register a bit. Your guitar has got to be at least 20 years old by now. This would not be an uncommon need, even on a guitar that has been played regularly for just a few years.
     
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    Are we measuring this with feeler gauges?
     
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    I can practice my vibrato on that note!
     
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    If the guitar is 20 yrs old.... it's probably a low/worn 12th/ D note causing a 13th fr buzz......

    then a fret dress would be in order....
     
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    have you located the buzz by bending the D string up and down. Does it only buzz on one spot?
     
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