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Buying a collector’s grade guitar—to play

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Luthier Vandros, Nov 29, 2020.

  1. Luthier Vandros

    Luthier Vandros Tele-Afflicted

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    Who’s done it? Who thinks it’s absurd? I’m on the fence and about to fall over.
     
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  2. smoothrecluse

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    I think it just depends on whether the guitar’s price represents the actual value of the instrument, or if it’s just a pipe dream price to lure in a big spender.

    If you’re comfortable paying the price, and you want to play it, I say go ahead. My only caveat would maybe be for a museum piece, or demolishing an irreplaceable pre-war Martin on a film set.
     
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  4. Luthier Vandros

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    Spit out my coffee on that one!

    I found a nearly dead mint JV62-65 Strat [at a reasonable price]. It’s black, so merely looking at it would cause sight-induced swirl marks.
     
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  5. Ricky D.

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    A collector grade vintage guitar (=mint condition) hasn't been played much. For 40 - 50 - 60+ years the owner reached for something else. Do you want to pay collector grade prices to find out why?
     
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  6. brookdalebill

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    I just did.
    I bought an extremely clean, all original 1963 Epiphone Texan.
    This one.
    The original plastic adjustable bridge is lifting slightly, and I will have the brilliant Tony Nobles replace it with a rosewood replica bridge soon.
    The guitar is shiny, and has no lacquer checking.
    I put a strap button on the side of the neck heel.
    I’m going to play it, and take care of it till I can’t.
    It replaces another 63 Texan I had in my youth.
    I’ve been playing the new one a lot lately.
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  7. Fiesta Red

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    If I’m afraid to play it, I’m probably not going to keep it very long.

    I have one guitar that I don’t gig with any more...it’s kinda rare, but not extremely $$$, but the sentimental attachment is what keeps it around.
    I still use it for recording, though.
     
  8. Luthier Vandros

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    I can understand assuming that the guitar was a dud being the main driver behind the condition. However, some people just don’t have a fleeting interest in music or no motivation to continue learning to play, so away it goes under a bed or in the closet. Either way, it’s hard to know which reason was at play. Playing the guitar in person is a great way to discover why.
     
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  9. McGlamRock

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    If I had that collector money burnin' a hole in my pocket, and I found a really expensive Tele that I also really liked to play... I would definitely buy it. Life's too short to not own a great Tele. Good luck.
    PS Care to share what you have your eye on?
     
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    No.

    It would own me and wouldn't get played right.
     
  11. Luthier Vandros

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    It’s an 83 JV Strat with extremely light wear. I’ve been after a legit 60’s reissue, but can’t stand the feel of lacquer. That’s been pushing me into this direction.
     
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    If you have to ask opinions, then no--I think you don't have the kind of disposable money necessary to devalue a collectable piece by playing it.

    There really is no right or wrong when it comes to guitars; everyone's individual opinion on this sort of topic is based on their own financial situation.

    If you have a trashcan full of cash and nothing better to do with it, then yeah...go for it.



    An '83 JV Strat isn't particularly valuable as guitars go. It's collectable by people into older MIJ Fenders. There's a huge market for them and people buy them as 'collectors" because they're really not that expensive.
     
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    If its a Gibson, you can always buy a repaired headstock guitar and play it without regard for collector value.
     
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    Everyone got food in their belly? Good roof over your head ? Wife / kids taken care of ?
    Buy it, play it.
    If you are buying guitars for "investment value" ... you are buying the wrong investments. Blue chips are a much better long term investment.
     
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    i think this is not unreasonable. jazz and classical dudes spend that kind of money to play. if you really need it, you need it, and i guess you just have to pay the toll now. if you're going to turn it into a player once it leaves your hands, then honestly you're doing god's work in my book.

    i really hate how collectors ruin everything associated with famous users. there are loads of people out there, like you, who just want a god damn texan or a casino. but some rich guys who like the beatles had to dump on everyone's party for vanity. it takes instruments people need out of players' hands for no reason.

    you want to value an original blackguard or a burst or whatever at it's price, go ahead, they're museum pieces at this point. but you literally cannot get some standard issue guitars nowadays that were never reissued, that not so long ago were just priced fairly like everything else from a certain company in a certain era. it's sad and the people who drove the market up who have no business owning some of these guitars should be ashamed of themselves.
     
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  16. Luthier Vandros

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    I’m not into collector guitars for investment purposes. My specs call for a legit 60’s reissue without the nitro finish. My search for that led me to the JV—and the tokai/greco models, as well.

    This is truth, @loopfinding—

    “...there are loads of people out there, like you, who just want a god damn texan or a casino. but some rich guys who like the beatles had to dump on everyone's party for vanity. it takes instruments people need out of players' hands for no reason.”
     
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    Not absurd, but not for everyone. It all depends on your financial situation and your state of mind. If you can afford to take the loss financially and mentally, then there's nothing wrong with taking a high-value guitar out and about.

    Back in the '90s I had the opportunity to get a mint used re-issue '57 LP Goldtop for a really good price. I bought a new LP Studio instead, because I knew I'd be using it as my main road guitar and I'd be terrified to be taking the Goldtop to gigs.
     
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    I don’t think of any guitar as an investment. Guitars are for playing. Paintings are for looking at. My two bits.
     
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    Why wouldn’t you? People buy new guitars all the time and they lose 30-50% of their value when you walk out the door. Just be careful with it. So what if the value is diminished?

    Having said that, I wouldn’t buy ANY guitar just because it is collectible. Just as I wouldn’t NOT buy a guitar just because it’s collectible.

    Buy the guitar you want and play it.
     
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    I am a tone monkey and cannot seem to leave things alone. Back in 2012, I ordered a brand new Gibson Les Paul Supreme, believing that it may hold it's value. That kind of thinking doesn't really mean that much to me because, for the sake of tone and aesthetics, I went overboard on modding the guitar. I have absolutely no regrets and ended up with an even more outstanding guitar.
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