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  1. David Barnett

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    ...and we almost got thrown off our college radio station for playing "Hair Pie."
     
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    Remember it well.
     
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    Atonal s*!t.
     
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    that's right The Mascara Snake!
     
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    "Her little head clinking
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    Still WAY ahead of its time!
     
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    congrats beefheart...took zappa to see who you were and give you a proper introduction.

    only place in 1973 you could hear beefheart was Pacifica Radio at like sunday midnight to 1a , right after the king biscuit flower hour... who else can remember that?
     
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    That's lazily dismissive, and an oversimplification.

    When I first heard it I thought it was just cacaphony. Meaningless, improvised noise on top of noise.

    I could not have been more wrong.

    Now, it IS, of course, very dissonant. Instruments playing in multiple time signatures within the same song, etc. And admittedly it is challenging and not for everyone.

    But the fact is, this was very carefully constructed music played very tight by ace musicians who had rehearsed the holy heck out of it.

    The "Grow Fins" box set has multiple demo and rehearsal recordings of tracks from the Trout Mask album, and those cats could pull off each song with total precision from one take to another.

    I can certainly understand it's not everyone's cuppa tea. Don't blame you there.

    But there's a lot more to it that your little two-word "review."

    Everyone has their own taste, and that's perfectly cool and valid.

    I don't care to listen to Steve Vai or Yngwie Malmsteen, but I probably wouldn't sum up their output with "idiot wankery."
     
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    The guitar in Ella Guru is my modus operandi, primal skronk!

    Hey it's Fantano...
     
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    The guy in the video above spends 15 minutes telling us what is wrong with the album. It's a good dissection. He says it's terrible for many reasons then towards the end says he likes it for those same reasons. Well, that's kind of a cop out. It's not good because of all the reason he states. There's no flip side to that coin. Everything about it is negative from conception to realisation. It's not good because it sets out with one goal in mind, to mess with the listener. It's not good because it's still a blank canvas despite all the paint thrown at it. It doesn't tell you anything, it doesn't answer the why question of any good design. It's reason for being isn't to be, but simply not to be something else. This is the lower intestine of music, where everything good about music gets mashed together, and, to go back to my original post, s*!t out.
     
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    my smile is stuck, I cannot go back to your frownland.

    I will not try to explain why I love this record, except I've always thought it was the declaration of existence for all oddball social blunders like myself out here stumbling around. and like lou reed said of metal machine music, it's a great way to clear a room.
     
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    it's 1969, compare:

    Sugar, ah honey honey
    You are my candy girl

    vs.

    grain grows rainbows up straw hill
    it breaks my heart to see the highway cross the hill
    Man lived a million years and still he kills
    the black paper between a mirror
    breaks my heart that I can't go
    steal softly through sunshine
    steal softly through snow

    Beefheart's record opened up a huge space between "Sugar, Sugar" and it. And it's still fun to listen to, like opening up your windows and listening to the city.
     
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    I agree. Thats my statement.
     
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    That is not only wildly speculative and presumptuous, it's nothing but pure opinion.

    Your opinion is, of course, valid for you but it can't be extrapolated to be objectively true for everyone.

    Translation: "I just don't like it."

    Again, just your opinion. Not sure what you are basing it on aside from, again, lazy dismissiveness.

    I also have to wonder if you subject other pop/rock albums, bands and artists to these standards.

    Completely understand why you or anyone else might find this album unpleasant or "too much" or what have you. Nothing wrong with that. But you fail to actually say anything here, or express why this is (and you don't owe anyone an explanation.)

    All you've done is sling insults based on your opinion instead of just saying what I suspect is far more accurate (and succint) :

    "I don't get it and I don't like it."

    That's okay. Just say that.
     
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    I think you'd be happier with something simpler like some Eagles or Doobie Bros. perhaps some John Denver...Dan Fogelberg???

    Something with a real blunt edge is appealing to some....

    Some of us dig music that is....
    ....." thud like.
    ...such things as rough-neck and thug.
    Opaque melodies that would bug most people.
    Music from the other side of the fence."

    DVV
     
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    So you can infer what I'm trying to say, but I can't infer what the same of the good Captain? See what you did there?

    Absolutely TMR wants to mess with the listener. You don't torture your band, endlessly rehearse then cut up the finely crafted results, throw nonsense lyrics over the top then mix it badly for easy listening. You might want to challenge people, but making a challenging album doesn't automatically mean you succeed in making a good one. TMR is a musical Rorschach test, you hear what you want to hear, and everybody has a different opinion on what what was trying to be achieved. So I do 'get it' as much as anyone, I just don't like it.

    You and most people talk about it's enjoyment on an abstract, intellectual level, like the process is more important than the result. You haven't told me why you like the album, just the album is cool because it was made in a weird way. Everyone talks about it like faith - "I can't explain it but trust me it's awesome." Any collation of ideas in anything - food or art or music - has to have balance and a why. What are you trying to achieve? Why do you choose this way to give form to chaos? This album is intentionally and too obviously chaotic and subversive, that's why I don't like it. It tries way too hard to be something everything else isn't. TMR did not just fall out of the sky sounding like this, although a lot of work went into making it sound that way.
     
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    Oh please, don't pretend you don't like to kick back, put on some Abba and paint your nails like the rest of us.
     
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    Abba Zaba!

     
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    Yikes!

    Who do think you are??!!!! Ritchie Blackmore?!

     
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