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Never thought of the Cars as Punk, much less bubble gum punk. Always thought of them as new wave? Also I would say Weezer is a pop band, but again not really punk. Greenday, the Offspring, Blink 182, pretty much all the early 90s pop punk bands are where I would go with this label. Just a personal view, if you are a punk band on a pop station, probably bubble gum.
 

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... a lot of 'no' in this thread for me. Not that I don't like most of it but I don't hear the bubblegum thing.

I guess these examples define it for me as The Banana Splits was a bubblegum pop TV show, for kids and they are played by punk bands.



and this, which is a song from Banana Splits



 

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What punk rock, really, isn't kind of thinly disguised pop at it's spine?

I'd argue this is pretty much a pop song.



has this turned a corner?
I'm not really sure, I'm inclined to say No, not really, it's still essentially pop music.

 

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I did think about Nerf Herder, but listening to it again it sounds like fairly generic pop-punk, they were good when I saw them supporting Less than Jake though... and they played the Buffy Theme, which gives them bubblegum creds I guess. 😁

 

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What punk rock, really, isn't kind of thinly disguised pop at it's spine?

I'd argue this is pretty much a pop song.



has this turned a corner?
I'm not really sure, I'm inclined to say No, not really, it's still essentially pop music.



Sure, most punk has at least some pop musicality. ... that's kind of why it sounds like 'punk' and not metal or something else.

... to some degree I think that's true anyway.
 

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Lets write a list of themes that make up a perfect bubblegum punk song...

I think it needs to include

Girlfriend/Boyfriend/Someone else's Girlfriend/Boyfriend

could mention

Milkshakes
Sunny Day
The Beach
Summer Holidays / Vacation
Love
A reference to a classic pop band or song
Surfing or skateboarding
Ice cream
Dancing
Kissing
some reference to a girl being cute without being classically good looking, for example 'she had bob haircut and wore chucks' 😄

.. what you got?
 
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Bubble-gum means overly sweet, simplified, happy-a$$ music aimed at pre-teen bubble gum chewing little kids doesn't it. The musical analogue of the bright side of a 50s sit com.

The Osmonds, Jackson 5, Monkees, Backstreet Boys etc.

Not the Ramones.

Punk means the opposite of bubblegum, all harmonies aside, It was primarily noted for it's anti-establishment, anti-progressive bent. Punk is maybe intentionally simple and blunt to the point of being even pretentiously unpretentious.

I guess "The Great Rock and Roll Swindle" and how that all turned out, shows that punk rock was just another case of the establishment taking advantage of young musicians and fans from its very inception under the guise of being radical and anti-establishment. Though rock-and-roll has always suffered from that indignity.

It seems like any radical music scene gets devoured by the masses and industry if it's in the least bit popular., It is eventually digested. That's why Black-Flag sounds like pop-music to me now, I think.

In today's genre overladen environment where you can have "Christian Metal Core" maybe "Bubble-Gum Punk" is a thing, but let's not throw the Ramones in there simply because they have pop sensibilities, as most punk with its anti-progressive core seems to have. I don't think it's the Ramones that are or have ever been bubble-gum. I think it's us that don't hear the radicalness of it anymore. If "Bubble-Gum Punk" is a thing let's not forget the irony of it, and let's not forget that Punk is just, along with most rock music, probably always has been tacking hard to pop, at least as long as there is money to be made.

I did read a interview with one of the Ramones years ago and the Ramone, I have no idea which one, said something to the effect of
"We thought we were just like the bay city rollers, we didn't realize that writing songs about sniffing glue and..., was something unusual"

I personally thought they were a lot smarter than that and he was just messing around.
 

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Bubble-gum means overly sweet, simplified, happy-a$$ music aimed at pre-teen bubble gum chewing little kids doesn't it. The musical analogue of the bright side of a 50s sit com.

The Osmonds, Jackson 5, Monkees, Backstreet Boys etc.

Not the Ramones.

Punk means the opposite of bubblegum, all harmonies aside, It was primarily noted for it's anti-establishment, anti-progressive bent. Punk is maybe intentionally simple and blunt to the point of being even pretentiously unpretentious.

I guess "The Great Rock and Roll Swindle" and how that all turned out, shows that punk rock was just another case of the establishment taking advantage of young musicians and fans from its very inception under the guise of being radical and anti-establishment. Though rock-and-roll has always suffered from that indignity.

It seems like any radical music scene gets devoured by the masses and industry if it's in the least bit popular., It is eventually digested. That's why Black-Flag sounds like pop-music to me now, I think.

In today's genre overladen environment where you can have "Christian Metal Core" maybe "Bubble-Gum Punk" is a thing, but let's not throw the Ramones in there simply because they have pop sensibilities, as most punk with its anti-progressive core seems to have. I don't think it's the Ramones that are or have ever been bubble-gum. I think it's us that don't hear the radicalness of it anymore. If "Bubble-Gum Punk" is a thing let's not forget the irony of it, and let's not forget that Punk is just, along with most rock music, probably always has been tacking hard to pop, at least as long as there is money to be made.

I did read a interview with one of the Ramones years ago and the Ramone, I have no idea which one, said something to the effect of
"We thought we were just like the bay city rollers, we didn't realize that writing songs about sniffing glue and..., was something unusual"

I personally thought they were a lot smarter than that and he was just messing around.
Not a derogatory term as you can see in my OP. I don't know, i always tought it was a real music name.

edit and clearly not the exploited.
 

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I wouldn't call Weezer any kind of 'Punk'

... it's, I don't know ... 'preppey indie geek rock' or something. 😁

Did I say that?... No
I can say my 2cts now.

That’s kind of Power Pop, leaning to the soft side, but took things from Punk to their melodies.
Not much different in concept as Green Day or The Offspring (well… aparently they don’t wear Tattos).
Sweet melody and Distorted Rhythm Guitars, but Punk?... Neh

Most of the Bands or songs asociated with Punk in the 70’s through 90’s hardly pass the purist filter to keep the label nowadays, including my posts.

Either way, 'Bubble Gumm Punk' is such a pejorative connotation to me, that I wouldn't post any of the posts I posted (sic) if it wasn't The Ramones opening the Chart.

GABBA, GABBA, HEY!
 

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Did I say that?... No
I can say my 2cts now.

That’s kind of Power Pop, leaning to the soft side, but took things from Punk to their melodies.
Not much different in concept as Green Day or The Offspring (well… aparently they don’t wear Tattos).
Sweet melody and Distorted Rhythm Guitars, but Punk?... Neh

Most of the Bands or songs asociated with Punk in the 70’s through 90’s hardly pass the purist filter to keep the label nowadays, including my posts.

Either way, 'Bubble Gumm Punk' is such a pejorative connotation to me, that I wouldn't post any of the posts I posted (sic) if it wasn't The Ramones opening the Chart.

GABBA, GABBA, HEY!
Not a pejorative term to me, more like a way to describe some sort of songs. Check the dwarves' how it is done tune to get what i mean.
 
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