Breaking Bad Season 5 Discussion Thread

[FMA]

"Whatever you think the outcome is going to be, it'll be the exact opposite!"

Nailed it.

 

[Maxwell Street]

So after this latest episode I'm wondering if the ricin is for the Gray Matter folks?

That would be fitting...maybe Elliot croaks while admiring his Clapton autographed guitar...

 

[getbent]

A friend has a theory that it will turn out that the Gray Matter people are Lydia's boss and that Walt was working for them all along, or at least ever since hooking up with Lydia.

I'm not sure I buy it, but anything is possible.

That is interesting… but, she was tied to Gus Fring remember? she worked for the parent company of the chicken chain, Siemens or something… isn't that right? how could she be working for Grey Matter too?

 

[J-man]

That is interesting… but, she was tied to Gus Fring remember? she worked for the parent company of the chicken chain, Siemens or something… isn't that right? how could she be working for Grey Matter too?

She's Walt's illegitimate child from his relationship with Gretchen.

 

[FMA]

That is interesting… but, she was tied to Gus Fring remember? she worked for the parent company of the chicken chain, Siemens or something… isn't that right? how could she be working for Grey Matter too?

I said I'm not sure I bought it. My friend believes that, somehow, the Gray Matter people were in the background, pulling the strings, even though Lydia worked for that huge German multi-national corporation that had owned Los Pollos Hermanos. That company, if you recall, was the source of Walt's methlymine until the DEA planted GPS devices on the barrels and Walt, Mike, Jesse and Todd resorted to train robbery...

I think the writers would have a hard time tying Grey Matter to that German company or to the meth trade. But stranger things have happened on this show.

 

[getbent]

She's Walt's illegitimate child from his relationship with Gretchen.

nice! I like it.

is there a connection between uncle jack and madrigal?

a little boys from brazil action?

 

[Larry F]

A friend has a theory that it will turn out that the Gray Matter people are Lydia's boss and that Walt was working for them all along, or at least ever since hooking up with Lydia.

I'm not sure I buy it, but anything is possible.

Whoa, do I like this. Nice, very nice. Maybe you can ask your friend to send a note to Gilligan about this. But fast. I am sure that once Gilligan reads this, he will suspend the final episode, and write and film a new one, based on this idea.

About Forster. As soon as I saw who it was, I thought there was no one else that would fit the role. He is the only person in the show that Walt respects.

 

[Zezozose]

A bit off topic, but the last scene of Six Feet Under was among the best endings of a television show ever. It tied up not only the stories of everyone in the family, but did it entirely in the style that the show had developed, while simultaneously tapping into the idea of both new beginnings and finality. And it did so with an excellent soundtrack. It's on Youtube, but you really have to have a feel for both the characters and the show style to appreciate it.

That was the most brutal thing I have ever seen onscreen. It was incredible, and terrible, and awesome in the true sense of the word.

 

[VWAmTele]

I was rewatching season 2 ep. 3 'Bit by a Dead Bee'. Walt explains to the psychiatrist why he wandered off into the desert. It really sums up Walt's persona perfectly:

Doctor, my wife is seven months pregnant with a baby we didn't intend. My 15 year old son has cerebral palsy. I am an extremely overqualified high school chemistry teacher. When I can work, I make $43,700 per year. I have watched all of my colleagues and friends surpass me in every way imaginable, and within 18 months, I will be dead.

I expect Walt's 'final solution' to more eloquent than just guns. Look for some kind of chemical weapon to be used against Uncle Jack and gang.

 

[Zezozose]

I'm wondering if Hank will concoct a scheme to pull Gray Matter into his meth operation, as say, Walt's financial backing, as was mentioned in the tv spot? They def triggered something within him.

I think the days of Hank's schemes (and Schraderbrau) are over.

 

[J-man]

That was the most brutal thing I have ever seen onscreen. It was incredible, and terrible, and awesome in the true sense of the word.

Yeah, I loved it too.

Whenever I re-watch Six Feet Under, I have to watch something uplifting/light-hearted in between epsiodes, because it's so depressing in places.

 

[xMercury69x]

I was rewatching season 2 ep. 3 'Bit by a Dead Bee'. Walt explains to the psychiatrist why he wandered off into the desert. It really sums up Walt's persona perfectly:



I expect Walt's 'final solution' to more eloquent than just guns. Look for some kind of chemical weapon to be used against Uncle Jack and gang.

I wonder if Gilligan got this episode title from To Have and Have Not, in which Walter Brennan's character keeps asking people if they ever got bit by a dead bee. Finally, Lauren Bacall's character says Yes and he asks what did she do and she replies "I bit it back"...something along those lines.

Also, I loved Six Feet Under. A flawed show about flawed people living a flawed existence. To bad Alan Ball wasted his time and efforts doing True Blood. While fun to watch, it's a shambolic disaster of bad writing and poor character definition.

And...I do NOT buy into the Grey Matter being involved with meth distribution theory. It's waaaaay too late in the game to introduce an element like that.

On the other hand, this show has surprised me more than any other show I've watched, so what do I know.

 

[AirBagTester]

Grey Matter being a "guy behind the guy behind the guy" would definitely be a shocker, but they already did the whole "Multi-national corporate conglomerate secretly backing a huge drug operation" thing, and it was cool. The whole hierarchy was like layers of an onion the way it kept peeling back from Krazy-8, to Tuco, to Hector, then away fron the cartels to the chicken man, to Lydia, to the C-levels in Germany. Having Grey Matter as the secret nemesis would actually be a step down I think.

 

[CrisHendrix]

It will be interesting to see how Gray Matter fits in, I can't imagine him going and just killing them, maybe he'll get them to sign over some rights or money to his family, as it'd be about the only way he could make sure they'd get to keep the money legally.

I kinda doubt we'll see Saul again, and keeping the spinoff a prequel sounds like a good idea to me. Sleazy TV lawyer is a bit more interesting than Omaha Cinnabon manager.

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[Skully]

It will be interesting to see how Gray Matter fits in, I can't imagine him going and just killing them, maybe he'll get them to sign over some rights or money to his family, as it'd be about the only way he could make sure they'd get to keep the money legally.

Pointing a gun at someone and forcing them to sign over the rights to something is not exactly legal. The resulting contract would be nullified. He would need something to blackmail them with! That's not exactly legal, but it's more doable. But all of this would require cramming a lot of hard to believe plot machinations into the final episode.

 

[FMA]

I kinda doubt we'll see Saul again, and keeping the spinoff a prequel sounds like a good idea to me. Sleazy TV lawyer is a bit more interesting than Omaha Cinnabon manager.

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If anyone could pull it off, it would be Saul.

A bit of levity from Sunday's episode: "Define good."

 

[73Fender]

The Eisenberg hat doesn't pull it off with a parka.

Wonder who the guitar player is in Unk's crew? Saw that beat up Fender practice amp too. Death metal maybe?

 

[FMA]

Here's a piece I wrote about a possible ending for the show: (link removed)

 

[AirBagTester]

Here's a piece I wrote about a possible ending for the show: (link removed)

"A drummer?! This really is he**."

I LOL'ed

I guess it's possible Walt will go all Rambo on someone, but it seems a bit counter-intuitive to me seeing as how he's hardly fired a gun and only ever owned the little handgun with the serial# filed off. I guess if he is mad off his rocker he'd try anything though, but usually he's more calculating than that.

Also there was that scene way back when Jesse wanted to cap Tuco:

Walter: Pop, pop, pop? So three shots?
Jesse: Yeah, three shots, or I dunno, two?
Walter: Wait, so is it two or is it three?
Jesse: I mean, two would probably work I guess, yeah.
Walter: OK, two shots. Two shots in the chest, two shots in the face, what?
Jesse: Man, c'mon!
Walter: No, I am just trying to understand how this works!

I don't know if that's a good sign of predicting one way or the other though.

Vince Gilligan or whomever was probably laughing to himself when he wrote the "gun in the trunk" scene, "Those fools are going to burn out some neurons trying to guess how THIS one plays out."

 

[Skully]

I guess it's possible Walt will go all Rambo on someone, but it seems a bit counter-intuitive to me seeing as how he's hardly fired a gun and only ever owned the little handgun with the serial# filed off.

Well, it's a bit counter intuitive to think that a meek high school chemistry teacher could become a drug kingpin, isn't it? Walt wants to make his mark.

I've been pondering the idea that there's a lot of Vince Gilligan in Walt. After all, all art is autobiography to a degree, even when the artist works hard to make sure it isn't. Gilligan has a reputation as a very nice, sweet man. Gilligan had some success as a TV writer prior to "Breaking Bad" on "The X-Files," but that wasn't his show. This is his moment in the spotlight, the climax in his personal story, where he gets to leave his mark on the world. As Mr. Chips completes his transformation into Scarface, do you think Gilligan is going to leave the gun in the trunk, literally or metaphorically?