Blackface vs. Tweed sound difference?

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  1. Ian T

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    OP, I just noticed that you are 15. That a great age for to save some money for a Boothill 5e3 kit. Jump in, start learning about tube circuits. It will be difficult at first but the knowledge you'll learn will be of great use in the coming decades of your guitar experience.
     
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    Now you're just confusing him.
     
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    If someone can't hear and feel the pretty basic differences between those amps at 2-3 on the volume, than cranking them to distortion won't help either.
     
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    I would have thought the other way around, tweeds having that smoky, old, gritty sound. And blackfaces having that squeaky clean bite - slippery
     
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    That's exactly why I replied to the post that I did, anyone can read those descriptions and interpret them however they like.
     
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    Get a Brownface, best of both worlds imo. Except for a Silverface. Oh well.
     
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    1st big difference; is the reverb. BF amps are drenched in it; & their tone revolves around it; whether we like it or not. Tweed amps are of course devoid of such a thing. So they sound drier maybe, but also more immediate - "woodier" comes to mind

    2nd tweed amps are not as clean (you're right on the grit), & they overdrive nicely as soon as you leave "3" on the dial. BF amps have a "universal" kind of clean, maybe the dearest of them all; and a metallic, hard overdrive, it's still nice in a searing, bluesy way. Almost nasty. To get an example of BF/SF overdrive listen to Freddie King or Albert Collins

    Finally; yes Tweeds have more mids; tone is rounder; whereas BF has a hard scoop in the mids.
     
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    Maybe.My Deluxe has a great clean.Very similar to this:


     
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    Early ZZ Top is reportedly a Brownface Deluxe, so, neither tweed nor Blackface, really.


    It is a little tough using such generalities with the tweed amps as there was so much variation. In all honesty, I can get my tweed Bassman and Twin to give up sounds similar to the later Blackface type tones by simply cranking down the mids control. It gets that sparkly, (to me) overly bright sound of the Blackface amps.

    I have my first practice with a new band the other day. I brought my tweed Twin, the other guitar player had a Blackface Twin Reverb. My tone was fat, juicy and creamy compared to his.

    Johan Segeborn does some interesting comparisons... Here's three generations of Twins, tweed, brown and black.



    It's fun, but, he seems to only do them cranked. There's a lotta great tones in betwixt silent and these awesome tones. Still, you get a sense of how close, and some of the subtle differences.
     
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    Eric Clapton (post-Cream), or Joe B on the Three Kings Tour, Keith Richards, Neil Young: Tweed

    Grand Ole Opry: BF
     
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    Buddy Miller: SWART AST, which I think sounds like a Tweed with reverb. Some people think it's somewhere in between a Tweed and a BF
     
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    Early Marshalls (including the 1962 "bluesbreaker" and the plexi) were based on the Tweed Bassman.

    Derek Trucks: BF

    Jerry Garcia: BF Twins (but he sent the preamp signal out to bigger power amps)
     
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    Get a Joyo American Sound pedal for $30 and you can dial in 'any of those amps', as long as you know where you are going you can get there.





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