Blackface vs. Tweed sound difference?

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  1. Frankentwang

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    What are yalls opinions? If you can, describe the sound differences of a tweed or blackface
    I dont know much about either, but I think the tweed is a little deeper and has just a little grit, the blackface is more trebley and sparkly,
    please correct me if you think otherwise, I'm just trying to learn
     
  2. Nick Fanis

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    The tweed has more mids.
    That's why it's perfect for the trebly Tele bridge pickup.
     
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    My friend, some things have to be experienced.

    Go to a local GC or whatever. Make sure they have a Tweed Deluxe and a Tweed Bassman. And a Deluxe Reverb.

    Plug in and explore.
     
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    Tweeds will be more mid-forward and will break up much quicker and harder. BF amps have the traditional scooped tone Fender amps are known for, and have much higher headroom. Unlike a Tweed, a BF isn't going to really break up until you get well past noon on the dial.

    Very different sounding amps, but all glorious in their own way.
     
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    Tweed more middy, less EQ control.
    BF deeper, EQ controls a little more effective.
    Depends on what tweed though.
    Some tweed are fixed bias like BF. Many are cathode bias. Cathode bias has this kinda ...."rich hi fi transparent" sound, sounds nice at lower volume, but gives it up early. Leads are cool though....I cant describe it really.
     
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    You gotta turn um up to really tell the difference. That's not always possible even with the 5 watt Champs.
    But yeah I'd say my 5e7 Bandmaster is grittier then my ab763 Bandmaster. Really other than they're both Fender Bandmasters and use some of the same tubes they're completely different amplifiers.
     
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    I'll play. I would say tweed is a little darker on top, more forward in the midrange, and looser on the bottom end. Depending on exactly which amps you are comparing, I would say a tweed dirties up earlier. The blackface has a big round bottom end, is more scooped in the midrange and has lots of top end sparkle.
     
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    Tweeds can have a pristine sort of sound and can quickly get into a very raunchy sort of sound at higher volumes and bass levels. Blackfaces have a pristine clean and more slowly (on the volume knob) get into a sexy compressed dirty sound. I suppose it depends on which amp models too. Most of the old school tweeds I have heard in person have been smaller amps, where I have heard a range of smaller and bigger old school blackface amps in person.
     
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    I think you described it well
     
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    The blackface has scooped mids. And that is why it is perfect for a trebly telecaster bridge pickup.
     
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    They've got a '68 Custom in there and there's a Celestion in the tweed, but this video isn't a bad comparison for a ballpark idea:

     
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    Why don't you guys use well-known examples of hit songs?

    Like, early ZZ is tweed, right?

    All this trying to explain tone with words stuff is really pretty silly in a lot of cases
     
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    Tweeds are slippery and blackfaces are smoky.
     
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    Tweeds are Greasy.
    BFs are compressed.
     
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    That's 'cause Teles sound great through everything. They are, in fact, mind blowing!
     
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    BF amps have a very very pronounced mid scoop at about 800 hz. Tweeds don't
     
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    It’s a little more complicated than just tweed v BF. A tweed bassman 5F6A has a lot more in common with BF amps than tweeds.
     
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    You can get a rough idea of the differences with a good modeler. Find which you prefer then go get the real McCoy.

    Every electric guitar player would enjoy owning at least one of each during their lifetime. Just go for it, dude.

    FWIW, SF and BF tones are very close, and SF amps are a much better value on your local Craigslist.

    Without knowing much about OP's use, I'd recommend a 5e3 clone, and a SF Twin to start off with. Yet there are many other options depending on your budget or needs.

    I would not recommend a PCB amp, so nothing reissued or new.

    Vintage Tweeds are unaffordable, but you can get a dialed clone (e.g. Victoria) for around $1k or less, and a nice SF Twin for about $600.
     
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    I don't know about you, but I'd feel like a douche going to GC and cranking up tube amps loud enough to get them to sing. Not sure this would be all that valuable at modest volume levels. The amps need to be cooking to really experience what they do.


    I have a Victoria 5f6A, sonically it sounds way more like a Marshall Plexi than any silver or blackface amps. Really nothing at all like a BF amp, way more mids, gets dirty much earlier, it's a completely different animal than my DR, Twin, Vibroverb, or Bandmaster Reverb, not even close.
     
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