Blackface clean and tweed drive?

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  1. nosuch

    nosuch Friend of Leo's

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    Hi, I found out I like tight and punchy blackface cleans and slightly driven midrange tweed tone. And by slightly driven I mean slightly – most of you would consider it clean.

    Do you have an idea to get that in one amp? Two different channels? Blackface amp with a pedal for the tweed?
     
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    Deluxe Reverb and Klon

    Deluxe Reverb and Tube Screamer

    Deluxe Reverb and Bearfoot Honey Bee

    Deluxe Reverb and Boss OD-1


    Depending on your favorite flavor.
     
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    I think the Raw knob on Allen Amps was designed to do this.
     
  4. darkwaters

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    Traynor Dark Horse. It also does the Brit amp thing as a bonus.

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  5. Grandy

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    Tech21 Tradmark 60. The two channels are voiced completely different. The clean channel gives you the cleans and od channel the tweed/marshall.
     
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    I've got a Bluetone amp: it has one channel with modified low power Fender Tweed Twin 5E-8 circuit and the other channel with modified Fender blackface circuit. 2×10″ combo. Here's some clip:

     
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  7. Nick Fanis

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    A good tweed deluxe and a Boss GE7 (for cutting the mids) will do the trick nicely (although personally I would take the tweed cleans over the BF ones anyday of the week and twice on Sunday, especially with a telecaster).
     
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    +1
     
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  9. Wally

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    No Such, you don’t share what amp or amps you now own. There are good suggestions above. IF you are looking for that clean midrange tweed thing and own a two channel Fender reverb amp, it can be modded to do what you want. It will have, asstrat56’s amp does, two distinctly different channels.
     
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  10. Wally

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    duplicate remove. .
     
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    68 custom deluxe might get you close. Otherwise try a blackface amp and a tweed pedal.
     
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  12. Wally

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    if one takes a ‘68 Custom SF and goes ahead and does the mods that will take that Custom channel where it could be, it will get into the tweed zone. As they are, imho/ime, that one resistor that Fender added does not go there for my purposes.
     
  13. horseman308

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    I've always been intrigued by these but have never seen one in person. How do you like it?

    Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk
     
  14. muchxs

    muchxs Doctor of Teleocity

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    Deluxe Reverb with modified normal channel.

    Deluxe Reverb with modified trem channel.

    Deluxe Reverb with modified normal channel.

    Etc..

    Yup.
     
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    I thought it also used a different mid cap (.022) and nfb resistor. I guess the OP will have to decide how close is close enough.
     
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    muchxs Doctor of Teleocity

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    The quick 'n' dirty (literally!) with a DRRI is to change R9 to a larger value, 27k or so. It's behind the normal channel bass pot on the potentiometer sub- board.

    Any other modifications are gravy.

    I'd get in there with an assortment, 27k, 47k, 68k, 82k. The bigger you go, the gnarlier it gets.


    Let's call this one "The Much Mod." I've been doing variations on this theme for decades.
     
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  17. Wally

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    Yes, that punches the midrange. I like to change the tone stack from the slope resistor on. Ommv...

    I have a Fender 75 that uses a mid boost with a 100k. That boost was overboard in its effect, imho. I reduced the value of that resistor to get a good mid boost without making the difference so great that one could not switch from clean to boost without making a volume adjustment. I also decreased the NFB loop cancellation. This is a great amp now, imho. Yeah....it weighs 57 pounds, so it takes someone willing to carry that weight....which is no problem for old skinny self.
     
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  18. Wally

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    fwiw, there are BF circuits that carry .022mfd and .033mfd midrange tone caps.
     
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    Let's see:

    Pros:
    3 different voicings: USA, Pure and Brit or, as I like to think of them: Blackface Deluxe, Tweed Deluxe, Brownface Deluxe. Like having three Deluxes in one. Pure is my favorite.

    2W mode and 15W mode. 2W is perfect for home playing so as not to annoy Ms. darkwaters. 15W is perfect for jamming with friends. Mike it for a larger venue.

    Rock solid construction. (Looks like army surplus from WW II.)

    Gain knob.

    Standby switch.

    Being a head, you can match it to whatever cab you like.

    Lots of great tones.

    Quiet.

    Cons:

    No Mid knob.

    1 channel.

    Not high gain. If you're a metal guy you should look elsewhere. This amp is about classic rock, country, jazz tones.

    No effects loop.

    No effects.
     
  20. Randypttt

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    Or... The cheap way, a Fender Superchamp X2 has 2 channels, one providing a super clean BF tone and a 2nd channel with a dozen different models. 2 happen to be Tweed tones and a 3rd a Bassman type.
    Get a foot switch and go crazy.
     
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