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Discussion in 'Twanger Central' started by Mellencaster, Oct 16, 2020 at 4:53 PM.
Some other songs in Dorian,
I've never heard the term parent key in my life until today.
Everyone's ear is different.
I don't know if it's the technical term. I use it to simplify everything back to the Major scale because I'm too lazy to learn new scale patterns.
So for example, I'd call C Major the parent key of D Dorian, E Phrygian, F Lydian, and so forth.
As I'm writing this it seems convoluted, but for me, thinking in one scale makes it simpler.
The big downfall with my line of thought is when there are chords that contain notes outside of the scale...then I'm boned.
The important part is we agree on the notes, B Dorian and E Mixolydian have the same notes.
But we don't play them like linear scales, we leap and bend, and jump to other strings all to the sound of the music in the beat.
I see what you mean. D to D in C and so on. The major scale is the mother but I learned to think about naming the intervals.
2nd take. Kind a like different brush, but it feels like trying same thing again and again.
So still floating around the blues scale and same ideas very much.
I think the key is like this Rubin's vase illustration . Do you see a vase, or do you see two faces?
The ears are different, but the music language that we use to talk music is the same for everyone.
Yes, the parent key is A, and the tonal center is Bm,
I call the A chord & A major scale the parent or the I chord (one chord), it's all based on the circles of 4ths and 5ths which creates the tension/release or progression movement we love, the V7 I sound. So,,,
bigbreak A sweet alternative sound with John Jarvis piano work. sounds great.
Squier by Squier If Wicked Games had an extended solo version track? Sweet 2nd take.
Interesting discussion... I think the ‘Father’ deemed the terms ‘Parent’ and ‘Mother’ somewhat confusing... so he named it after his oldest son Ionian, LOL. (And I agree with everything said thus far...)
I'm lazy...I think in melody lines and sometimes major and minor...the rest I stopped caring about decades ago
I know the theory as I learned when I was a kid...even to write and read notation...played the piano as well....
As my old guitar teacher told me, learn them all and then forget all about it...play until it sounds good to you!
Haha, I played piano too as a kid! And sucked. Badly. Should've tried to learn some theory though.
Fortunately my children are different. They're playing multiple instruments, singing, also studied theory stuff. It's nice to see it in them.
Good stuff, but I didn't want to forget it, so I jumped head first into the theory of composition and performance, playing with the jazzers, big bands, combos. Miles said "learn it and forget it" but what I really think he meant was to learn it and internalize it so thinking is minimalized or not needed, but don't really forget it.
As in learn it...I broke three metronomes practising scales and such back then, playing chromatic runs up and down....religiously practising alternate picking...until I felt like an idiot robot....
I only use it if I cannot hear it right away.....but I never ever think about theory when playing in improvise mode...not a single thought...
If it was a band I practised songs until they where memorised.....I used to play in a Gospel choir so that was something...all those chords and harmonising parts....still gives me a headache just thinking about it...it was fun when we had the tunes down....but man...most of the time waaaay too much to think about and remember...that was no fun so I ended up stopping.
It sometimes got so bad that I had momentary blackouts....
Just knew that while it was good practise and all that, I was not made for that....found a mate to replace me, he was into jazz and fusion...so he got on like fish in water...
I got back to playing more rock and pop stuff again....and my other big thing...listening to music from the Mediterranean ( especially Greek stuff and some Spanish stuff) Not that I play any of it...I just love the sway and the extended phrasings....
FWIW - https://inwhatkey.com/song/wicked-game-by-chris-isaak
I still love learning tricks on the guitar be it a lick or a twang, or a thump. That's why these backing tracks are so great. I don't always like the selection, but I try to find my way and that is a blast, it sometimes involves a little research like listening to the original to hear how the original sounded.
FWIW per Wikipedia “The song is in the key of B Dorian mode performed in what AllMusic describes as a "brooding, sorrowfully conflicted" tone.”
So they agree on the A major
Sorry double post, i.e. beating a dead horse twice...
I see a pawn on the white square of a chess board.