Astros Busted! Red Sox Next?!

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  1. fendertx

    fendertx Poster Extraordinaire Silver Supporter

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    It's been a roller coaster 24 hour news cycle in Houston. I think The Texans coach is probably the only guy in Houston that was happy MLB made their announcement today. Sports talk radio took a hard left the minute the news dropped.

    I find it funny, even within this thread there is a sliding scale of acceptable cheating. So how can you possibly determine what punishment is just? They got red handed for sure, past that I don't know what is appropriate in terms of punishment.

    I think the owner Crane made his only move to try to start the process of eventually returning the organization to any level of credibility. What sucks is Hinch had us fooled. We thought he was going to be our "respected all time great" coach. Reading the comments about his testimony was a big let down. He didn't approve of the sign stealing and smashed the monitors twice, but they continued to do it any way? Come on, what manager would allow that in his club house? Sounds like a CYA line of defense.

    Part of me is even worried that Lunhow and Hinch will land somewhere in a few years and help another team win. That is what sucks, both men have a lot of talent and didn't need to be complicit in cheating to put a playoff team together. They allowed it directly or indirectly and put a shadow on the some of the greatest sports moments in Houston history.
     
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    This is worse than Bonds and Clemens. I never had a problem with either poster boy as they were clearly a couple steps ahead of all of the other roid users. In fact Bonds started using them after watching lesser players use them. He hit 73 HR with about dozen legit balls worth hitting that season-I actually liked baseball better with steroids then people outright cheating by electronically stealing signs and beating on trash can lids. Both the Astros and Sox deserve to have their titles taken away. Alex Cora should be suspended for 2 full years. He will be fired like Hinch. Thank god Fiers exposed the Astros. I have to wonder if the 4 away games that DC won were the result of skewing their signs to fool the Astros. If so, that would be great. To me the Dodgers have now won back to back World Series in 2017 and 2018.
     
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    I think they should suspend the entire team for the 2020 season. They ALL were in on it!
     
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    The Dodgers did seemingly get hosed in both World Series.

    Might be worth looking at some video of those games.
     
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    Yeah, I don't disagree with that. I understand they wanted to go after management more, but I don't get why the players get a pass.
     
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    Your comment about the Texans coach cracked me up. I don't know what's just, but I think the punishment should be severe enough that everyone in the league decides it's not worth it.
     
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    There is no cheating in baseball. There is no gambling in baseball.
     
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    I realize that this is not an original thought but poor Joe Girardi. Yankees lost Games 6 and 7 in Houston after being up 3-2 in ALCS. If he had won either game, he would have made it to the WS and likely not been fired.
     
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    to me, the comparison between the gambling, roids and sign stuff is a false equivalence... but, fair enough... I also accept that folks will want to do that.

    I think the Dodgers would have lost either way as they have lost in a variety of ways to other lesser teams... but I can imagine it is additional agony for them.
     
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    Probably some deal in their contracts. But they all knew it was happening, and went along.
     
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    So maybe Kershaw really wasn't that bad, they just knew what he was tossing.
     
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    punishing management is easy. punishing union players... becomes a nightmare and a bad look for the league.

    the story is that neither hinch nor the gm liked the cheating but did not do enough to shut it down... that is the price of 'leadership' if you don't lead, you go down.
     
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    yeah, I don't think so... I think people knew what Koufax was throwing but it didn't matter...

    if you cannot breathe it isn't easy to prevail.
     
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    Wait! What? Did I miss the news? Bill Belicheat is in baseball now? WOW!
     
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    It's getting to be more like Spring Cleaning!
     
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    So who instigated it? I found a video of it happening on Twitter, but am reticent to link it because the commentator cusses like a sailor. But it was clearly happening.
     
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    Good point about the players union and the lack of punishment. At the risk of sounding like a salty Astros fan I'll take it a step farther. Many of the talking heads have been speculating that while the Stros were the focus due to Fiers dropping the dime, they expect many teams will get outed for various cheating methods. I recall hearing the Astros, Sox, Yankees and Dodgers all being mentioned and potentially more. If baseball does find evidence of many teams having cheating in this manner, it could get real messy trying to discipline all those players.
     
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    The report put the blame on Cora and several players for the scheme.
     
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    I think Cora is the guy... and if that is true... then it has been going on in several organizations and probably for awhile...
     
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