Artificial refrigeration

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    The Feb 2020 Scientific American has a small blurb about it.

    You know, that has really changed the way most of us live.

    Of course it takes energy, increases carbon emissions, and (up until 1987) really did a number in Earth’s ozone.

    As an aside, last Saturday on the way to a meeting of my bluegrass club, we passed a pond where a group of Amish were cutting an harvesting ice.
     
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    My mother grew up without electricity until the lines got put in like in '53 she graduated high school in '57. They canned food like crazy in those days from the garden and canned meat as well. Plus they heated the house with wood.
    Lazy people simply starved or froze to death in those days.
    I'm not sure that was a bad thing. ;)
     
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    Electricity didn't come to my mother's ranch until after WWII, and then only in the barn.

    My grandmother, "why electricity in the barn and not the house?"
    My grandfather, "we don't make money in the house. "

    'Nuf said I guess.
    Pawpaw was like that.
     
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    My dad still calls the fridge the ice box ... that's what it was in his time ... NYC circa 1930s . . .
     
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    There was a goldrush in country Victoria in the 1850s and so the city of Melbourne was where people went to throw around their newfound wealth. One way to do this was to order a sherry cobbler which came in a glass filled with crushed ice that had been imported from Massachusetts!
     
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    My dad grew up on a farm where the new luxury was an ice house in town that would rent you a locker to store your frozen meat.
     
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    Artificial refrigeration certainly changed civilization .
     
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    OTOH, the application of the refrigeration cycle gives us the heat pump, a really efficient way to heat the indoors.
     
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    Wouldn't be an ice cream man without refrigeration...

     
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    In Detroit Lakes MN, where I was born. (maybe you've been there and seen the signs?) The ice harvest was a huge buisness they loaded rail road cars and shipped it all over the place. Surprisingly it didn't stop around 1970-71.
    Today they have an ice festival to commemorate it. They'll throw a party for any damned thing over in DL now.
     
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    As did the electric light.....and the printing press......and, of course, the Telecaster.
     
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    They are great but start to loose efficiency when it gets cold. It's -9 here now, if I had one I'd still be burning propane for heat right now.
    However when I build I might use one for AC on the hot days and heat when it's warm enough. I think 20 above is about it for a heat pump.
     
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    I love air conditioning as well
     
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    I don't take it for granted. I like it at home, and getting commercial refrigeration alarms are a critical matter in my network management. My work also gives me the impression that commercial refrigeration is good job choice.
     
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    If the power grid goes down.
    You could always retrain as an ice cutter. :)

    Come to think of it. . .
    I've got a camper fridge that works on AC power or propane. If the grid goes down propane probably wouldn't last long either.
    However another source of heat could be rigged up to take the place of whats basically pilot light now.
    That should keep my beer cold till the zombies attack. :)
     
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    jack london is in da house!
     
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    When I was a little kid I knew there was still some ice cutting done on a lake near us. The town had a canning company and meat processing firm.

    I like to bring up commercial refrigeration because it is not only all over in life as we have it now, it is also a job I know is good for some people who didn't do college or care for other things they've tried. When I hear a parent talking about their kid who's handy, has some smarts, but spinning wheels in college or a big institution I state or remind them the basics of the job.

    We have a place in N. WI where some in the area live what many in the US would consider a really basic lifestyle and not long ago I was checking out the Jamaican hills and mountains and places where most tourists don't go for both reminding me what just a very simple electricity feed and well do.

    I liked @getbent Jack London reference. I was very attracted to escapes and out there when I was young and then felt a lot less romantic when I met people very close to or in a more subsistence living mode.

    I'm not sure how the getting by with basics caught my attention. As an adult a guy from when I drove truck long ago, befriending a Vietnam vet with some challenges and another dude who passed away sort of did it. Their lives did not seem as happy and healthy as people I met in the Caribbean.
     
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    Back in the day, when I was in the employ of not mentioned here ,
    we would get a 6pack cold at sea by using the fire extinguishers.
     
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    In MN you'd need to go to a ground source heat pump which is more efficient, but much more expensive to install. Probably take 20 years to break even vs propane.
     
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