Are we exploring our sound enough before making changes? Old guy musings...

Telenator

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Every electric guitar has a voice...

Twenty some odd years ago, I was traveling extensively as a pro photographer and had the good fortune of jamming with people all over America that I had met on a guitar forum.
I called it, Bob's Jam Across America Tour and had the privilege of jamming with forum folks in 25 different states over a 2 year period.

During that time, I was most often traveling guitar-less, and at the mercy of playing whatever I was handed, sometimes moments before an on stage appearance/gig, or a friendly jam at the local rehearsal studio.

Some the guitars were dead stock representations of the lowest price point Squier, Epiphone, Ibanez, etc, had to offer. Others were fine examples of heavily modified high end guitars. And I was grateful for the chance to play all of them.

The point here is that, when you're handed a guitar plugged into an unknown amp, you have to make it work. There is no time for fiddling around and dreaming of installing a set of custom pickups and playing it through a Dumble amp. You need to make your rig work. NOW!

So you start playing and looking for the safest, meatiest, blending tone you can get. As the night wears on, you start to hear the strong points of the gear you're playing, along with those areas you just need to avoid. If you're fortunate enough to be playing more than one set, you get a brief chance to twist the amp knobs a bit during break, and things usually improve going into the second set.

But most importantly, you are forced to squeeze the best possible sound, (for the gig you're playing) out of the gear that was just graciously handed to you. This changes everything about your approach to getting a good tone and has often surprised me by what was actually attainable using cheap gear. But it has also surprised me by how disappointing a high end, highly modified set-up can be as well.

Play whatever is in your hands at the moment, and enjoy the surprise of discovering some great sounds you weren't expecting. Put those sounds to good use and enjoy the way you alter your playing to make those unique expressions. It's a HUGE growth and learning experience. This the kind of stuff that makes us better players and expands the variety of what we can play by taking us out of our comfort zone.

A new set of pickups is often a fun thing to explore. Just don't give up on what you're already playing too quickly. There is so much more at stake!
 

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I learned a lot of that when playing LP Junior and Tele Esquire models. They taught me how to actually use the volume and tone knobs.

The ultimate example that I didn't think about until much later is look at Eddie VanHalen and how he got all those tones from a single pickup guitar that only had a volume control (that he labeled 'tone', because the tone changed when he turned it).

Modding also revealed that pickup heights and pots and caps swapping is as, or more, important than pickup swapping ... for free or 1/10th the cost.

Here are a few inspirational videos I came across before, getting 'the most tone':




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I've just done what was probably my biggest gig ever, to 1000 people at my work conference. (previously I've been a gigging musician on the local circuit etc). Played the biggest stage ever (for me) and did it all with a single telecaster, a pro junior amp and an OD pedal. In previous years I'd have dug out my digital rig, modded my tones to match the guitars on the various tracks by various artists, but this time round, one amp and one guitar and an OD pedal, and a volume knob on the telecaster was all I needed.

I'm not saying I was any good, just saying that's how I chose to play it lol

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The advantage of playing thru your own rig is that you've taken the time to get the sound and tone you want. But I've been in a few situations where I was called up on stage to play an unknown setup and while "weird" at first, you just learn to go with it. It's from those experiences that I learned most of my own sound comes from me. Yes, I like a little more treble here or a little more growl there, but my playing is my playing no matter the gear.
 

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I think there is definitely something to touch and timing and tone that are revealed over time.

Guitars give up the goods slowly sometimes, at least for me.
 

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Every electric guitar has a voice...

Twenty some odd years ago, I was traveling extensively as a pro photographer and had the good fortune of jamming with people all over America that I had met on a guitar forum.
I called it, Bob's Jam Across America Tour and had the privilege of jamming with forum folks in 25 different states over a 2 year period.

During that time, I was most often traveling guitar-less, and at the mercy of playing whatever I was handed, sometimes moments before an on stage appearance/gig, or a friendly jam at the local rehearsal studio.

Some the guitars were dead stock representations of the lowest price point Squier, Epiphone, Ibanez, etc, had to offer. Others were fine examples of heavily modified high end guitars. And I was grateful for the chance to play all of them.

The point here is that, when you're handed a guitar plugged into an unknown amp, you have to make it work. There is no time for fiddling around and dreaming of installing a set of custom pickups and playing it through a Dumble amp. You need to make your rig work. NOW!

So you start playing and looking for the safest, meatiest, blending tone you can get. As the night wears on, you start to hear the strong points of the gear you're playing, along with those areas you just need to avoid. If you're fortunate enough to be playing more than one set, you get a brief chance to twist the amp knobs a bit during break, and things usually improve going into the second set.

But most importantly, you are forced to squeeze the best possible sound, (for the gig you're playing) out of the gear that was just graciously handed to you. This changes everything about your approach to getting a good tone and has often surprised me by what was actually attainable using cheap gear. But it has also surprised me by how disappointing a high end, highly modified set-up can be as well.

Play whatever is in your hands at the moment, and enjoy the surprise of discovering some great sounds you weren't expecting. Put those sounds to good use and enjoy the way you alter your playing to make those unique expressions. It's a HUGE growth and learning experience. This the kind of stuff that makes us better players and expands the variety of what we can play by taking us out of our comfort zone.

A new set of pickups is often a fun thing to explore. Just don't give up on what you're already playing too quickly. There is so much more at stake!
you just can't change the biggest factor in sound, that's you.
and the hunt for sound/tone is when you want to sound like somebody else.
have you seen Paralympic Games?
they work with what they still have and got
 

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Good points Telenator. I have been thinking more and more along those lines. Rather than constantly acquiring guitars, why not maximize what I can do with them AS IS. As long as the tuners and nut are ok and the neck is not torqued i am trying to enjoy what each one does best.
 

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Agree - - all true in my view.

But then, some people just like having guitars and gear for what it is. Like some car collectors I've known, they simply want to have the thing, admire it, have other people admire it, and then . . . . maybe trade up or sell for the next piece they want to have and admire. I get that. Guitars can be beautiful things just to look at. Ironically, the best players I know have the least in the way of guitars and gear.
 

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I haven't played much in the way of completely formal gigs for many years now, so that's meant that probably at least 20% of the time, it's been whatever guitars/amps/pedals/etc. were provided is what I ended up using.

It's actually been the result of that, that I ended up changing some things with my own personal gear. Or conversely, I also discovered that there's some gear that I'll never personally own, because I just couldn't get it to work, even over the course of playing for an hour or longer.

In trying to be somewhat honest, even though most of my guitars do end up with modifications, I wouldn't consider many or most of them to be 'very premium'. Specifically with pickups, it's probably most common for me to go with a slightly fatter or rounder sounding bridge pickup, and a more clear or open sounding neck pickup (this kind of assumes that we're talking about Strat or Tele single coils, specifically, which is 90% of what I use).
 

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I leave mine the way they came. There's a reason I bought & kept it, so I don't doubt that process. Same holds with the amps & pedals. What I hear from it vs others might be different things too. I don't blame the gear for what I can & can't do with the gear. I handed my "worst" guitar to another more accomplished and it was night & day for what we both played. I have to get to that place musically.
 

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Agree - - all true in my view.

But then, some people just like having guitars and gear for what it is. Like some car collectors I've known, they simply want to have the thing, admire it, have other people admire it, and then . . . . maybe trade up or sell for the next piece they want to have and admire. I get that. Guitars can be beautiful things just to look at. Ironically, the best players I know have the least in the way of guitars and gear.
I have had great variety for much my playing life. And it was really good. Then I was confronted by several situations where I had to play what I was handed. Coming from the complete opposite side of the equation, I learned a fresh approach to playing. Play what ya got and make it work, instead of dreaming up a bunch of modifications within an hour of owning something new.

As someone else here mentioned. If I bought a guitar and then feel the need to modify it, I simply bought the wrong guitar.
 

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I have long just taken what I have and run with it. I also occasionally do “fly in” performances with my cousin in Costa Rica, and I only bring my picks.

I used to stress about it a bit, but I always seem to make do (for the most part), and things worked out fine. I’ve always been pretty good at dialing in “decent enough” tone, and I have never relied too much on effects for my tone, or tried to cop the tone of other players.

Probably the hardest part for me is getting used to guitar necks that are fairly different from mine, especially those with different string spacing or neck profiles.
 

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I think this thread is about learning experiences and appreciating what you've got on hand. In the hands of an at least adequate player almost any guitar becomes a usable piece of gear. You don't turn your back on an instrument because of it's price point or the reputation of it's brand. I've kept an Ibanez Gio GAX for over twenty years because, to date, this one single example of this brand and model somehow turned out to have the fastest playing neck of any guitar I've ever owned during my lifetime. Sure. I tried many others exactly like it but found nothing close. It's neck had to be a complete fluke. It's a trip when friends bring over their "fastest" playing guitar that may have cost them $3000.00 to $7000.00 and I hand them this cheap student grade guitar I paid $179.99 for and, when they play it, find it to be faster than their latest and greatest. I seldom play it anymore and I own multiple high end guitars I'd rather play but it is what it is. Never underestimate something based on it's reputation or price point. There are hidden gems just waiting to be discovered.

In a pinch a decent player can deliver with anything he's handed. I found great tones on guitars bought at both Sears and J.C. Penneys. In truth ..... I'd already stopped playing out before I bought my first expensive boutique guitar. I waited until my children had finished school and moved out. I now own what I want rather than what I could afford back in the day. The level of instrument I own today is all about want rather than need. When I was playing out and raising kids anything would do.
 

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I was handed an $89 Epiphone Les Paul Special with a single bridge pickup. It had a dead section on the neck between the 10th and 13th frets. Above that, the guitar fretted out when I did any bending. This was plugged into an amp that was endearingly nick-named The Treble Deluxe! LOL.
There were perhaps 60 people in the club. Steven Tyler and his entourage were among them.

It was at this precise moment I heard the voice of my old guitar teacher saying, "Why do you need a 24 fret neck anyway? All the money is below the 12th fret!" His advice served me well back then, and on this day so many years into the future. I was not embarrassed by anything I played that night.

....and no, Steven did not accept my invitation to come up and sing, LOL.
 

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Of all the guitars I own or have owned only one has ever been modded (I still have it). All the others have been stock, as I don't think I could make a better sounding guitar. Amps are a different animal as 3 have been modded for the better. Have some modded pedals as well, and I think they give more tonal options. I have been fortunate that I own some very fine gear, and aside from buying an occasional classic pedal, I just try to get more out of the gear I have.
 

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I kinda agree.

I can plug a guitar into a known amp and immediately know if the PUs are too weak. I don't play high gain amps, period, but I need the amp to have a bit of crunch, just a bit. If the PUs are too weak (this has happened a couple of times), the whole rig is just gutless.

So as long as the guitar is hitting the amp hard enough to make it exciting, I'll stick with it to see what I think. But if it's weak, I'll be online buying PUs as soon as I put the guitar down.
 

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Tone is NOT the player. If I play a clean guitar, then jump into a dirty rig, my tone is completely different no matter how I choose to play. If I turn the tone on my amp from 12 to 0 my tone has changed, and yet it’s still me playing. “Tone is in the fingers” is such BS imho.

Your playing signature/fingerprint/nuance etc that identifies you as being YOU does however remain, regardless of what gear you’re playing through. The way the individual controls bends, slides into notes, controls the volume through picking dynamics remain, regardless of gear used. If you want to call that ‘tone’ then that’s your prerogative, but to me it simply isn’t ‘tone’
 
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