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Are stiffer guitar necks better?

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by DugT, Jan 17, 2021.

  1. DugT

    DugT Tele-Afflicted

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    I've been really enjoying the thin (19m 12mm) neck on a new shredder guitar that I'm borrowing. Today I noticed that it is by far the most flexible neck of the six I own. Is that big disadvantage for stability and tuning or anything else? Last night I decided to buy a guitar like this one but maybe I should get a guitar with a stiffer neck.
     
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    Sometimes it seems, and I mean this in the least offense way I can put it, that the questions you ask are very subjective. I realize you're trying to glean knowledge from a collective experience but that's like asking a lot of old men "Which is better, chocolate or vanilla?"

    There is no correct answer to this kind of question. The answer is, perhaps, "which is better to YOU?".
     
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    I don't think flex is good. The neck on my Tele is stable & solid.
     
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    I thought all guitar necks were stiff.
     
  5. northernguitar

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    Yes...I don’t understand ‘stiff’ neck, unless you’re talking about me after a long jam.
     
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    I prefer a stiffer neck. Schecter makes some thin necked models with carbon rods in the neck.
     
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    Ask Carlos.

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    I much prefer a stiffer neck for stability purposes. Tuning stability is better, as is holding its setup through weather/temperature/humidity changes.

    I have an ESP LTD that I love, but is extremely unstable. Every season change it needs a ton of adjustment, and sudden changes are huge PITA. A couple winters ago I had a house gig where I was standing right inside the front door. Every time somebody went in or out I got blasted with freezing air and the guitar would go totally sharp. My tele and Les Paul are not nearly as susceptible to this stuff.

    The most stable guitar I own is a Yamaha acoustic. It’s got a five piece laminate neck (longways) and it’s completely weather and temperature proof. I’ve owned that thing for three years and have never had to touch the truss rod since its initial setup. I can play that thing out in the sun, or outdoors in fall, or out by the fire where the front of it is hot and the back is freezing cold. That neck will. Not. Move.

    I’m revisiting the idea of ordering a shreddy guitar. If and when I do, I’m going to order it with 5-7 piece laminate neck specifically for stability.

    Lots of companies now (like Charvel and Kiesel) are also building in graphite composite stringers inside the necks. For added stiffness and stability.
     
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    Here is a good example of one of my subjective questions and why I asked it. Earlier I asked "Which guitar looks better". If most here thought the guitar I liked was ugly I wouldn't buy it because resale value is important to me.

    This question I think is less subjective. I believe stiffer guitar necks are better for performance based on science. If that is correct maybe I will not buy a guitar like this.
     
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    I'm going to look into them. Carbon fiber is so stiff and light, I'm surprised it isn't common in guitar necks, especially thin one. For the best stiffness to lightness ratio, a neck would have carbon laminated on the back of it,
     
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    I don't think about stuff like this, but a carbon fiber truss rod should help...
     
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    As I mentioned, many have carbon or graphite stringers internally.

    This is the type of laminate I’m talking about. This type of construction makes shreddy thin necks a lot stiffer and more stable.

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    Modern quality thin necks usually have carbon reinforcement. Older thin necks were prone to more movement when the weather/humidity changed. That being said, I had an Ibanez Prestige and the neck never gave me trouble.
     
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    A good stiff girthsome neck and rigid join to the body and no twist is about 99% of what I like in a guitar.
     
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    I’ve heard both schools of thought. Randy Fulmer won’t use carbon or titanium rods in the necks of his bass guitars. He thinks a bit of subtle neck movement or vibration adds a lot to the sound. I’ve got Ibanez 6 and 7 string guitars with carbon fiber reinforced multi lam necks that are extremely stable in terms of sensitivity to temperature and humidity. They sound spectacular too. I’m thinking it’s personal choice.
     
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    My flexible neck has two 1/4" thick walnut stringers and an ebony board. It is neck-through construction so maybe it is flexible because it is thin for two more inches than a bolt on neck.
     
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    What guitar, specifically, make and model, are we talking about?
     
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    If a neck is able to be reinforced then that's never a bad thing. It allows you to carve any backshape. That's why I love the Hagstrom H designed truss rod
     
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    My SG is a super narrow neck and very thin all the way up the fret board. If it was my only guitar I wouldn't be happy, but I love to pick it up and play it for variety and it is super fun and fast playing. That is an enjoyment in itself; to have variety, and the reason I don't see ever selling it.

    As far as flex or stability, it's a solid neck, and stays in tune, so I don't have any complaints.
     
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